Re: U18 Yorkshire Combination League. : Mon May 24, 2010 10:36 am  

King Cross won a cracking final 22.4 in a game played in great spirit by both sides.

I also had the misfortune to watch the u18 final between Queens and Batley Boys.One up rugby and no attacking moves from either side. Queens were also the most ill disciplined side ive ever seen conceding penalty after penalty. They were lucky they only got one red card.

Re: U18 Yorkshire Combination League. : Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:51 pm  

Caliban wrote:

King Cross won a cracking final 22.4 in a game played in great spirit by both sides.

I also had the misfortune to watch the u18 final between Queens and Batley Boys.One up rugby and no attacking moves from either side. Queens were also the most ill disciplined side ive ever seen conceding penalty after penalty. They were lucky they only got one red card.

I wonder if The Yorkshire Youth League & BARLA will grow a spine & act against Queens. One of their players also threatend a 15 year old touch judge before being sent off & their "coaches" where swearing & carrying on at anyone in ear shot when the presentation of the cup was taking place.
Don't hold your breath for the above groups growing a spine, they've already shafted a very succesfull U18 side from this year refusing to allow them play in the Top 4 Play Off's without any explanation.
I pity anyone that has to play in this League which is run by a complete & utter bunch of underhand, double dealers who've lost sight of why they are involved in Rugby League.

Re: U18 Yorkshire Combination League. : Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:20 pm  

I'm assuming you are talking about Dewsbury Celtic, if so that's a rather one sided view. If a team refuses to play against another one how can they expect to be entered into the competition. What would you have them do, let them play and if they win award an 18-0 final?

Re: U18 Yorkshire Combination League. : Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:17 pm  

stivey wrote:

I'm assuming you are talking about Dewsbury Celtic, if so that's a rather one sided view. If a team refuses to play against another one how can they expect to be entered into the competition. What would you have them do, let them play and if they win award an 18-0 final?

You may feel it's a one sided view & whilst not agreeing with it i respect your right to ask the question. Therefore, lets look at the facts, Dewsbury Celtic were not even told verbally or by letter that they weren't being allowed into the top four & this my friend is where your view falls down, before Celtic could play there 2 versus 3 game against Stanley Rangers, unbeknown to them they had already been cast aside, this despite the Queens versus Milford game 1 versus 4 not being played until a week later ! ask yourself the question what would of happened if Milford had beaten Queens ?

To clarify Dewsbury Celtic have stated on public record that they wouldn't play Queens UNTIL FURTER NOTICE. Maybe the league should have asked the question or had the common courtesy to inform them of their decision. However, Dewsbury Celtic have no issues with Stanley Rangers therefore this game should have gone ahead & IF Celtic's stance hadn't changed then yes an 18-0 should've been awarded IF Queens had beaten Milford. The league would never allow this to happen though as questions would then be asked as to why this situation had happened, they would have then had to explain their actions which ultimately left Dewsbury Celtic with no option.

You conveniently ignored the discipline issues on not just mine but the previous post, doesn't this tell you something about these clowns that administer this shambles of a league. If they had an ounce of decency in them & confronted this situation everybody could've moved on. Obviously you are comfortable with people threatening 15 year old lads & there coaches abusing referee's ?

Dewsbury Celtic's stance in my opinion is to be applauded as they've put the safety of their players before trophies, after all Celtic i'm sure are more than satisfied with being THE Yorkshire Cup Winners 2009 / 2010 this after convincingly beating both Queens & Stanley Rangers on their way to the final were they beat Milford 39-6.

Re: U18 Yorkshire Combination League. : Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:35 pm  

"Dewsbury Celtic have stated on public record that they wouldn't play Queens UNTIL FURTER NOTICE."

I'm sorry but you are never going to get me to agree that its ever going to be a good idead to allow clubs to pick and choose who they do and do not play - whatever the reason - as that is a slippery slope indeed and those clubs that think then can dictate, deserve what they get when punished for attempting to do so.

I didn't ignore the discipline issue but whilst on the subject how on earth you managed to ascertain from one post from me that I am "obviously comfortable with people threatening 15 year old lads and their coaches abusing referees" god only knows - but perhaps it says more about the way you jump to conclusions with only minimal facts to hand than it does to what I may or may not be comfortable with.

As a former discplinary chairman in a youth and junior league I will have to take exception to your assumption and state categorically that you are incorrect with what you feel is "obvious"- it most certainly is neither obvious or for that matter correct.

I've also been around long enough to know that in the circumstances you are alluding to, its the match officials job to report the incident(s) and I am led to believe the official that day failed miserably to do so, what follows on from that is always destined to fail and perhaps the match officials failure to provide a duty of care to the players that day in not reporting the incidents is where a good deal of your anger and blame might be better directed - rather than at those individuals who tried to progress the case without the proper documentation in the first instance.

Re: U18 Yorkshire Combination League. : Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:04 pm  

Ok Stivey,

you really must pay more attention to the postings, I'm accused by you of "jumping to conclusions with only minimal facts to hand" perhaps you may like to read the post again & notice that i put a question mark (?) at the end of the sentence, this is asking a question for clarification. It's interesting to note that on your reply you conveneintly missed this out. Therefore if you are accusing me of jumping to conclusions with only minimal facts - welcome to the club. I'm also aware of all the facts which i will once again enlighten you with, not make sweeping statements after obviously hearing matters seconhand.

Lets cover the facts, not what you may think happened or may have happened. You are right the match official that day failed everyone, however Dewsbury Celtic were told that the referee was told by the Yorkshire Youth commitee a report would have to be forthcoming, this has never happened, yet this man is still allowed to referee at youth level, how can this be ? what has he or the Yorkshire Youth League got to hide ? surely he should have been subject to the disciplinary panel suspending him for NOT DOING HIS JOB.

In relation to "my anger & blame being directed at the referee, rather than those individuals who tried to progress the case without the proper documentationin in the first instance" let me once again enlighten you to THE FACTS. i assume you mean the Yorkshire Youth commitee when you refer to the above individuals. At the said game was a Yorkshire Youth League official who wrote a report which bore no resembalance to the events whatsoever, this was proven to be the case when Dewsbury Celtic presented photographic evidence (which the league were unaware of) at the disciplinary meeting that totally proved his statement to be at best not worth the paper it was written on, so please don't tell me they had no documentation, they even had an official at the game, who had no spine as alluded to in my first post to do the right thing. You mention the referee's duty of care, can i ask you where the leagues duty of care is ?

Lets be clear in relation to your point "it's never a good idea to allow clubs to pick & choose who they do & don't play" Dewsbury Celtic have not picked or chosen who they don't play, the club had no option as the league wanted to cover the whole sorry episode up & not disipline the guilty party, therefore leaving said club feeling untouchable.

Another fact you wont be aware of is this the Yorkshire Youth League dictated at their discipliplinary meeting tt the abandoned game at Celtic's ground would have to be replayed, yet at the BARLA appeal meeting Celtic were informed that this couldn't happen because they felt it would be too dangerous - yet they expected Celtic to play a League Cup semi final 3 days later away at the said team, therefore if the BARLA appeals commitee think that it's too dangerous - what option did Celtic have ? You quite rightly critisice the referee for failing in his duty of care, yet you have the nerve to castigate Dewsbury Celtic for fulfilling their duty of care.

You have now posted twice on this issue & not responded to any of the disciplinary incidents above, you want to have ago at a club that safegaurds it's players whilst not posting one opinion on the disciplinary issues above such as "the most ill disciplined side i've ever seen" threatening referee's & 15 year old touch judges. Perhaps you could enlighten us with an opinion, after all, as below it seems you are highly qulaified in such areas.

As a former disciplinary Chairman in junior & youth rugby, with the views you spout without the full FACTS, it's no wonder Celtic have had to take this stance.

Re: U18 Yorkshire Combination League. : Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:51 am  

Youth committees are not in charge of match officials so are not realistically in a position to refuse an official being appointed, if they tried to do such a thing they risk the wrath of the match official department who COULD refuse to appoint anyone. I would say the same about any club that made the same threat. You should be asking the question of how he gets appointed to Ben Thaler not the youth committee as its his job to put any block on the official.

The Yokshire Youth committee may well have told Dewsbury that the referee WAS submitting a report, he proabably told them that, it's still not their fault that he did not. I believe the official WAS subject to a disciplinary meeting - but it would have been the match officials OWN disciplinary committee not the youth leagues. I cannot confirm but my understanding is he originally failed to turn up (but may have turned up to others).

So you feel that the youth officials version of events where different to Dewsbry's version - I wish I had a pound for every time I had heard at disciplinary that someone's view was different to anothers (usually the referees).

The league's duty of care is to ensure the match officials report is dealt with (errrr !!). The official on the day has the same opportunity to report the incident as everyone from Dewsbury (and the opposition) did. The only difference being the match official is supposedly neutral.

Without a match officials report the disciplinary result was doomed to failure, as I said before your anger should go to the match official and not those individuals brave (or stupid) enough to try and bring some form of justice to the events that day without the backing of the referee.

I don't have the benefit of the appeal minutes so cannot answer your statement on the "too dangerous to play" comment, but that does seem strange to me unless they also stated how that danger could be measured and how that danger would be reduced sufficiently to allow the teams to play again or are the clubs not playing each other this year either).

I only have heresay on the appeal subject but I was told it was thrown out because there was no match officials report. If that is not the case, given that events you have alluded too, how much in fines did BARLA hand out and how many players got suspended if they stated it was too dangerous? Having not been at the game itself, I cannot comment on the disciplinary issue other than the disciplinary process itself.

What I will say is, don't you think it's time this was all put to bed, the disciplinary process is now complete (by the sounds of it) whether you agree with the decisions made or not. Sometimes you simply have to accept that you are not going to get what you want and you have to move on - though personally I'd make sure I video'd the next game to make sure I actually have proper evidence in case their was an issue.

Re: U18 Yorkshire Combination League. : Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:32 pm  

Hi everybody. after our previous charity game was postponed due to venue problem. we have re-arranged this fixture for June 26th. however some players have pulled out of this game due to working commitments. We have chosen this date due to the fact that there is only 1 game being played that day. Super league Harlequins RL vs Wigan. Kick off time is 3pm at Ovenden Park, Halifax. Directions can be provided from Halifax town Centre for those who need it. Game is to be played full 80 minutes. Referee - Dan Tindall (unless changed) £1 entry - 6+ Free Entry - Under 6 Can all players please either email or text me. Email - K-Diddle-Diddle@live.co.uk Text/Call - 07866226684

Hi everybody. after our previous charity game was postponed due to venue problem. we have re-arranged this fixture for June 26th. however some players have pulled out of this game due to working commitments. We have chosen this date due to the fact that there is only 1 game being played that day. Super league Harlequins RL vs Wigan. Kick off time is 3pm at Ovenden Park, Halifax. Directions can be provided from Halifax town Centre for those who need it. Game is to be played full 80 minutes. Referee - Dan Tindall (unless changed) £1 entry - 6+ Free Entry - Under 6 Can all players please either email or text me. Email - K-Diddle-Diddle@live.co.uk Text/Call - 07866226684