do you honestly think dumb and dumber are capable of such self analysis?

I just do not see how anyone can say you can't blame the RFL/SL



If you want to emigrate to Australia they make sure that you are not going to arrive and be a burden upon them and their state hand outs. They make sure you have either your own means or a sponsor.

Now if we took this kind of sensible aproach all would need to do is look at how much running a team costs then tell whoever it is wanting to join the club that they need 3 years worth of funds before we let them in.



Its not that hard really is it?

If they can't come up with it or proof that there backers can't simply walk away they can't join.

I agree it does depend on the speed at which the crash-dummy chaos bus this whole issue is smacks them in the face.

I look at it like this...



an expansion club in South Wales... yeah, can support that it makes sense...



an expansion club in Wrexham... piontless, offers nothing new less than 30 miles to Widnes... smallish conurbation with no other catchment area! ... bordering stupid!



for me its Crusaders in South Wales or not at all!

Get on the VT and suggest the same , then wait for the ' flack '

said by a saints fan, who's club have not spent a penny on their urine stained pit of a ground for decades, get a life, get a new ground!

Totaly agree....had a great time in Bridgend this year

So as its looking like Wrexham, need some info. Bringing a family coach load when Hull play. is there anywere near the ground that will take 50 supporters of various ages.....8 to 80, you know the sort of thing.

Cheers

Pubs or clubs i meant to say

Theres a pub right next to the stadium.

Thanks evan.....prob gonna be about 3,000 hull fans, was thinking about workingmans club or something

Town isn't too far away, theres a wetherspoons within walking distance.

Thanks mate

if they do get moved to wrexham, will there be a load of wrexham Fc fans coming in and ruining what rugby league prides on RESPECT



respect between supporters (it rarely goes off)



i KNOW Wrexham have a bad set of supporters (not all) by my own experience, they started a massive fight when i was at a crewe alex wrexham game a few years ago



I DONT WANT THAT



as many have said its a shame for their south wales based fans i feel sorry for them, and myself as i look forward to going porthcawl when we play them at bridgend





MESS MADE BY RFL, MESSY PATCH UP BY THE RFL



I would have thought the likes of widnes and leigh have a right to appeal? or less so leigh with them being relegated and then reinstated last year

Perhaps but I doubt that Widnes would want to go up this year as they would have to find a SL standard team from somewhere with little notice and they weren't the strongest team in CC either.

They will get a team.



Yours.



It will be called a "merger" but in reality the bulk of the club will decamp to Widnes and play a handful of games at Wrexham. But will happen in 2011 not 2010. And that way Widnes get back into SL in the current franchise round, and Crusaders are "saved" - in the strange-planet world of the great minds at Red Hall anyway.



Don't believe me? Go ask Sheffield and Hudds, or Hull and Gateshead, for the standard template. It just needs dusting off yet again.



And its a load of crap

You are aware that "my team" are Keighley?



I rate Jermaine Wray highly but I don't think he'll ever play Super League.

My bad! But you never know...!

Your response was a good example of someone who couldn't think of anything intelligent to say and so dribbled garbage instead.



Saints [iare[/i getting a new ground, haven't you heard? We've been trying to get a new ground for 20 years but guess what? We haven't been able to afford one! It's only because we now have an astute businessman for a chairman - who with his City colleague rescued us from the brink of administration in 2002 - that we are in a position to build a new stadium now, and we have been in Superleague all along and in the top division for most if not all of Rugby League's history. Which is why I think the RFL should have dropped the insistence upon Superleague clubs having new stadia: clubs without the history and/or financial know-how of Saints should not be punished. We were going to get a new stadium anyway. This plan has been progressing through the various stages for five years, before the criteria were set for the franchises. So I really don't know what your pathetic response was all about. I was showing sympathy to those clubs who are in worse positions than Saints and Saints are not in a great position financially in spite of all their success, simply because at least in part we have a delapidated stadium that is like a financial black hole. Which we won't have any longer come the early part of the 2011 season.

And yet NL clubs were denied access to SL, as voted on by SL clubs, because of the stadia???? Double standards perhaps here???

What?



It was the RFL who decided the criteria for the licensing.

yes it was.

Yet when Hunslet and Dews won the NL play-offs, they were not accepted by the SL chairmen because of their grounds!!



Yet you advocate the dispensing of the insistence by the RFL that SL clubs should have new stadia???



FWIW, I think you are correct. It's Not the 'end of the world argument' like, I just thought some double standards were being played out here given back then, the SL chairmen and the RFL used the ground as the reason for denied access to SL! Fair??

It has been confirmed this morning that crusaders will play most home games in wrexham and two in neath, also on tuesday the signings of Tony Martin, Nick Youngquest, Matt Utai and Michael Witt are set to be unvieled

Matt Utai's not being unveiled. He's retiring from the sport due to injury.

Read my post again. I referred to the recession. That was the context in which I said that the RFL should drop the insistence upon new stadia being part of the licence arrangement. (I don't think I referred to SL clubs specifically)

you may take the opportunity to read your post again!



So a recession occurs - SL clubs shouldn't be required to have new stadia. Is this correct???



Yet when a much less well funded club won the NL, there was an insistence by SL clubs that they SHOULD have a new stadium or vastly improved facilities. A fanancial burden which made it impossible for them to access SL cos of the SL clubs "insistence"!



Smells of double standards to me!