Re: harlequins game : Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:49 am  

roversmad wrote:

Well ...you got to 8th

haha yep at least we got that but you cant blame cru fans for not being able to turn up to a game that was on the other side of the country at 6 oclock on a friday nnight so only people that finish early or are unemployed would be able to make it plus it was against quins who dont take away fans if it was in wrexham at normal time there would be about 5000

Re: harlequins game : Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:51 am  

Wildthing wrote:

:NAUGHTY:

Crusaders average - 4,499
Wakefield average - 6,018

and where did you get that from?

Re: harlequins game : Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:55 am  

teds wallet moth wrote:

Just wondered why the Crusaders played the game at the Gnoll instead of at Wrexham??
Or was it to bring the game closer to their (supporters) in South Wales where the are actually from therefore boost the crowd figures.
Dont give me all this about fans not making the game because of the early kick off etc you were originally based in South wales so the majority of your support is there not in Wrexham.
Also it made it easier for the Larnden contingent to get there as its practically one straight road instead of P***ing about getting to wrexham.
Before long as it is going Crusaders will be playing in Chester to make it easier for the HEARTLAND supporters to get there.

you obviuosly dont no much do you the reason crusaders moved away is because of bad attendences and to try something new and it payed off according to the 10800 that went to the first game of the season and the game in south wales was in neath not in bridgend where they used to be

Re: harlequins game : Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:58 am  

boost wrote:

You mean Rovers, Robins or KR not Hull. Hull is Hull FC!

they are also playing hull fc.

Re: harlequins game : Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:03 am  

cardiffcrusaderrob wrote:

Take it from someone who actually lives here there is a great interest in Rugby League here in South Wales.
Go into a pub here on a Friday night when the SL match is on and there plenty of people watching it often over whatever football might be on as well. Unfortunately the Celtic Crusaders was the vicitm of poor timing and bad financial managment in building too quickly enough , why Heartland fans expect a club in a non traditional area to suddenly compete with them in terms of attendances and set up is astounding to be honest. The Celtic Crusaders was not given enough time to settle and establish local support and playing foundations either , I sincerely hope the Crusaders are on both fronts. Then we might finally be able to see some real long term benefits and establishing Rugby League professionally as a Sport of choice for the people of Wales, North or South.

The great Behemoth that is Union here can't honestly testify to that yet either.

in south wales the scorpions are playing in and they are getting bigger crowds than the rugby union team in bridgend (where the cru were) and they get 1000 on decent games which is good attendencee for a championship 1 game so there is rl interest in south wales is just all don turn out to games they need to play a cru game near begining of next season at bridgend where they used to play and advertise it alot round bridgend and cardiff or wherever so people that are intersted will show up maybee a couple of hundered from wrexham and see what the crowd is like if it isnt bad do another game but dont do often so it is a big occasion for fans down there so they most turn out

Re: harlequins game : Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:32 pm  

rawzy! wrote:

they are also playing hull fc.

But not at home. The probable 12,000 plus attendance at the KC won't affect our average home attendance!

Re: harlequins game : Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:37 pm  

cardiffcrusaderrob wrote:

Take it from someone who actually lives here there is a great interest in Rugby League here in South Wales.
Go into a pub here on a Friday night when the SL match is on and there plenty of people watching it often over whatever football might be on as well. Unfortunately the Celtic Crusaders was the vicitm of poor timing and bad financial managment in building too quickly enough , why Heartland fans expect a club in a non traditional area to suddenly compete with them in terms of attendances and set up is astounding to be honest. The Celtic Crusaders was not given enough time to settle and establish local support and playing foundations either , I sincerely hope the Crusaders are on both fronts. Then we might finally be able to see some real long term benefits and establishing Rugby League professionally as a Sport of choice for the people of Wales, North or South.

The great Behemoth that is Union here can't honestly testify to that yet either.

Can't see RL ever taking off in South Wales, it never worked in 1996 with the South Wales Dragons, never worked for the Celtic Crusaders and with an attendandce of 1,122 against quins for the Crusaders what does that say, this is the 3rd attempt and they still have finiancial problems, having read some posts on Wrexham football club websites there not too happy with the Cru's either, I think Wrexham has been a blessing fro Cru's, improved gates, possible play-offs, but they need to sort there finance out of they will not have a franchise fron 2012 onwards....

Re: harlequins game : Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:11 pm  

In the first year of superleague, the crusaders had an average crowd better than two superleague clubs. Salford and quins. People talk about the game going nowhere in south wales, quickly forget all the facts. There is no reason at all why the game can't work in south wales.

We had some nightmare things to deal with

The british lions tests. Terrible timing for a team looking for big crowds.

The leighton samuwell factor, I know a massive group of supporters that would not watch the crusaders because he was funding them.

The two games played down south this year were beyond a joke, for reasons you can find everywhere.

Re: harlequins game : Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:49 pm  

What the previous attempts show scudley is that poor attempts at expansion and the failure to set up an effective playing base due to a range of factors economic and political stopped Welsh development in its tracks. in 1996 Union had just become professional and all the Welsh talent in League moved back to Union and to more lucrative contracts. Now we can't compete with the four 'regions' and the WRU in terms of money but we can offer the vast Rugby playing pool here in the South an option that wasn't there before, local professional Rugby league, It might never be No.1 here, but I certainly think we can have a competitive side competiting near the top of the game on that basis we are better suited to succeeding than in Wrexham I think they'll agree, but this isn't North v South.



You need to understand the problems to provide effective solutions here, simply saying League won't take off because of a couple of lowish crowds is missing the point entirely.

Re: harlequins game : Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:31 pm  

cardiffcrusaderrob wrote:

What the previous attempts show scudley is that poor attempts at expansion and the failure to set up an effective playing base due to a range of factors economic and political stopped Welsh development in its tracks. in 1996 Union had just become professional and all the Welsh talent in League moved back to Union and to more lucrative contracts. Now we can't compete with the four 'regions' and the WRU in terms of money but we can offer the vast Rugby playing pool here in the South an option that wasn't there before, local professional Rugby league, It might never be No.1 here, but I certainly think we can have a competitive side competiting near the top of the game on that basis we are better suited to succeeding than in Wrexham I think they'll agree, but this isn't North v South.



You need to understand the problems to provide effective solutions here, simply saying League won't take off because of a couple of lowish crowds is missing the point entirely.

I agree RL will never be the No1 game in Wales, and the expansion will take time and effort, but fans vote with their feet, and RL is a business after all, money through the turnstiles provide revenue for the club to invest in Players, if no fans are coming through the turnstiles, no money to invest, and then you have a shortfall in finances, and with the Franchise coming up next year all these factors will be looked into, Wrexham has been a blessing for the Crusaders due to the localaty to the NW and Yorkshire and that has shown in increased gates, from Wakefield Wrexham is 2 hours away Bridgend / Cardiff is 4 hours away, meaning overnight stays, more petrol money and so on, Wigan / Warrington / Saints, are closer to Wrexham than Cas/ Wakey / Leeds / Bradford. Fact's dont lie Cas 1,495 Salford 2,412 Quins 1,122 there 3 away games and the 3 lowest attendances this year ?. Stick to Wrexham it's working...