Re: Franchises need to be scrapped : Mon May 16, 2011 4:40 pm  

The idea behind franchising is to have a league of teams that are relatively stable (I know people will quote Crusaders, 'Quins and Wakey) playing in comfortable modern stadia without the fear of being relegated after one poor season. I'm yet to be convinced one way or another if this works just yet but we'll only find out if we give it time. The other alternative is one that's been tried and proven to fail. P & R might be a carrot for some teams but there are others who simply cannot afford or even cope with promotion. I've lost count of the number of teams that have spent big in the pre SL years chasing the dream and when they finally achieve it and ultimately suffer relegation the following season it's at the huge cost of almost sending the club into oblivion. The choices are you support a relatively stable club who might go up but when/if they do they will have at least three years grace to get themselves established at the top table. Or you allow the clubs who are bankrolled by sugar daddies to battle it out to win promotion and then fail miserably the next year. There are few examples of clubs winning promotion to the SL and then staying there.

Re: Franchises need to be scrapped : Mon May 16, 2011 4:49 pm  

Hence why we need to close the gap, not open it

Re: Franchises need to be scrapped : Mon May 16, 2011 6:06 pm  

Dr Badvibes wrote:

Hence why we need to close the gap, not open it

And how do you propose to close the gap? Letting a semi pro club become a fully pro club overnight and have a season in the sun before the letters from the tax man come pouring in? Attendances might initially improve in the SL but when you are rock bottom and taking some hammerings they'll soon drop off again. The game should be looking at expanding the SL slowly as and when clubs satisfy the necessary criteria. Conferences may be needed as an overly large number of clubs would not be able to play everyone else twice a season. Then when enough clubs of the right calibre are there can we possibly look at making it a two divisional SL with P&R but between two leagues that consist of full time professionals. This of course all boils down to the almighty pound.

Re: Franchises need to be scrapped : Mon May 16, 2011 7:22 pm  

What's wrong with me today ?

I'm agreeing with deluded pom now.

Re: Franchises need to be scrapped : Mon May 16, 2011 7:29 pm  

deluded pom? wrote:

I've lost count of the number of teams that have spent big in the pre SL years chasing the dream and when they finally achieve it and ultimately suffer relegation the following season it's at the huge cost of almost sending the club into oblivion. There are few examples of clubs winning promotion to the SL and then staying there.

If you have lost count , there must be a lot , so away you go tell us who these clubs are ?

And while you are at that , I'll give you , Widnes , Huddersfield , Salford , HKR , Wakefield

Re: Franchises need to be scrapped : Mon May 16, 2011 7:48 pm  

Starbug wrote:

If you have lost count , there must be a lot ...

Why ? Lots of refs lose count before they get to six.

Re: Franchises need to be scrapped : Mon May 16, 2011 9:08 pm  

In football they have a parachute payment (2 years) that helps the relegated club out and helps them adapt without the total loss of revenue that relegation brings,that is for 3 clubs in football,Surely the rugby football league can spare that for one club as it would be 1 up and 1 down,Just a thought,They seem to have enough cash to bail out Harlequins,But its rules for some and rules for others,Which other sport changes the promtion issue,places etc every year,We won the league 6 or 7 years ago and had to go to a play-off,the year later the rule had changed,theres no consistency,Frankly the rugby league are a bit amateurish.

Re: Franchises need to be scrapped : Tue May 17, 2011 5:34 am  

EAGLEBLADE II wrote:

In football they have a parachute payment (2 years) that helps the relegated club out and helps them adapt without the total loss of revenue that relegation brings,that is for 3 clubs in football,Surely the rugby football league can spare that for one club as it would be 1 up and 1 down,Just a thought,They seem to have enough cash to bail out Harlequins,But its rules for some and rules for others,Which other sport changes the promtion issue,places etc every year,We won the league 6 or 7 years ago and had to go to a play-off,the year later the rule had changed,theres no consistency,Frankly the rugby league are a bit amateurish.

Imagine the uproar if you get a yo-yo team that gets, for example £250,000, every time they are relegated and regularly achieve promotion the following year. There's plenty who will tell you that the RFL have never pored money into Harlequins (or any previous incarnation). I agree, consistency is required. Something RL is not good at. I also agree that RL can come across as amateurish at times.

Re: Franchises need to be scrapped : Tue May 17, 2011 5:36 am  

Starbug wrote:

If you have lost count , there must be a lot , so away you go tell us who these clubs are ?

And while you are at that , I'll give you , Widnes , Huddersfield , Salford , HKR , Wakefield

Didn't Huddersfield finish bottom three years running? Weren't Wakefield saved because the team who were entitled to go up didn't meet the required criteria? So I'll give you Salford, Hull KR and there's also Hull FC.

Re: Franchises need to be scrapped : Tue May 17, 2011 7:26 am  

And Leigh.