FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Lenighan blames West Yorkshire mafia
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain287No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 31 20186 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Jul 18 14:5710th Jul 18 13:05LINK
Milestone Posts
250
500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Lenighan blames West Yorkshire mafia : Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:45 pm  
Gotcha wrote:
I agree with most of that. Would just make the play off the top 6, not 5. Don't agree with the CC format proposed, either drop it or make it unseeded for all. And the "hub cap" should be celebrated more not less, it is an achievement that makes the previous rounds something worwhile.

I would also ensure we have a South Yorkshire representative in there, and a Cumbrian. More important IMO than London and Canada.

yes, let's stick to the M62, it's worked

In fact, merge Hull FC & KR, Leeds, Bradford, Huddersfield,.Wakefield and Casrleford .Warrington, Wigan and St Helens Bring back Sheffield Eagles and Whitehaven (what was the point)

5 teams, 10 matches, abandon the CC (no prestiege in winning it), Have the magic game at Hogwarts?
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member18060No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 27 200222 years288th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
11th Jun 23 20:4411th Jun 23 20:53LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
On the road
Signature
Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.

Re: Lenighan blames West Yorkshire mafia : Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:07 pm  
Gotcha wrote:
I agree with most of that. Would just make the play off the top 6, not 5. Don't agree with the CC format proposed, either drop it or make it unseeded for all. And the "hub cap" should be celebrated more not less, it is an achievement that makes the previous rounds something worwhile.

I would also ensure we have a South Yorkshire representative in there, and a Cumbrian. More important IMO than London and Canada.



Top 5 top 6 either way - just the top 5 seemed to work really well.

I just cant see the point of endless rounds of the CC to basically end up with same result i.e. 2 SL teams from the top 8 lets just cut to the chase.

The hub cap has been shown to be almost detrimental - how many teams win it and go on to win the GF.

London is impoertant - it has a huge populas to go at in terms of participation - I think it has more value than a team in Cumbria when it seems the pro game is not widely supported.

The Bulls still have a significant latent supporter base that SL needs - they also produce a lot of youngsters for the pro-game.

If you move Wakefield to Sheffield then yes I would agree but there doesn't appear to be huge support for RL in either Doncaster or Sheffield.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3092No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 26 200618 years62nd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
10th Mar 23 22:1119th Feb 23 21:41LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
"Brian McDermott, with a wry smile, nods when asked if he remembers a specific incident which made him realise he was a prick. 'I do', he murmurs."

Re: Lenighan blames West Yorkshire mafia : Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:52 pm  
Sal Paradise wrote:
The hub cap has been shown to be almost detrimental - how many teams win it and go on to win the GF.

Exactly half in SL history, a figure skewed by Leeds winning so often from unlikely positions. It's hardly a rare event however and if teams can't cope with that little bit more pressure/success then they can hardly claim to be a champion team.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member18060No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 27 200222 years288th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
11th Jun 23 20:4411th Jun 23 20:53LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
On the road
Signature
Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.

Re: Lenighan blames West Yorkshire mafia : Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:48 pm  
The Ghost of '99 wrote:
Exactly half in SL history, a figure skewed by Leeds winning so often from unlikely positions. It's hardly a rare event however and if teams can't cope with that little bit more pressure/success then they can hardly claim to be a champion team.


As Leeds have shown the real pressure isn't winning the hub cap but being able to perform in the playoffs, that's the measure of a champion team - would you not agree?
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member17113No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 22 200122 years248th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Mar 24 12:3026th Mar 24 17:38LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Olicana - Home of 'Vark Slayer
Signature
“At last, a real, Tory budget,” Daily Mail 24/9/22
"It may be that the honourable gentleman doesn't like mixing with his own side … but we on this side have a more convivial, fraternal spirit." Jacob Rees-Mogg 21/10/21

A member of the Guardian-reading, tofu-eating wokerati.

Re: Lenighan blames West Yorkshire mafia : Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:59 pm  
Sal Paradise wrote:
If you move Wakefield to Sheffield then yes I would agree but there doesn't appear to be huge support for RL in either Doncaster or Sheffield.


There would be even less for a combined team. Unless it was particularly successful & could attract a new fan base.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star1977
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 15 201013 years303rd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
7th Mar 24 13:1819th Oct 22 14:23LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Lenighan blames West Yorkshire mafia : Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:07 pm  
tad rhino wrote:
why should bradford be rewarded after what they've done?


They've done? As if it was done on purpose. If by any stretch of the imagination we get remotely close to being a super league club again I would like to think it would be done on the right way via success on the pitch and not any form of licensing or back dooring. Our chairman now though has put structures in place with the academy and reserves that should be the envy of a few super league clubs. Sal obviously sees the value though in what a successful Bradford could bring to the table
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner23864
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 19 200419 years20th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
28th Mar 24 15:3328th Mar 24 14:43LINK
Milestone Posts
20000
25000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
in bed between halle berry and jennifer aniston

Re: Lenighan blames West Yorkshire mafia : Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:18 pm  
successive owners simply robbed the club so yes, it's self inflicted
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star959
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 04 201310 years301st
OnlineLast PostLast Page
28th Mar 24 07:1627th Mar 24 20:04LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Central Scotland

Re: Lenighan blames West Yorkshire mafia : Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:35 pm  
For me (coming from the north east originally and then living in Leeds 12 years) the issue is the size of the towns / clubs. I now live in Ponte and it isn't a huge town, yet has one SL team 2 miles from it one side, and one Championship team 2 miles from it on the other. Consequently a small town of 31,000 is split between two teams in the top two divisions. Cas has about 40,000 people and Fev has 15,000. Wakefield is 8 miles from my door. Wakefield is a town of 100k. So that is 3 clubs in the top 2 leagues within 10 miles of one another, with only 185k residents.

This would be fine if the next nearest SL / Champ clubs were 30,40,50 miles away, increasing your catchment area. But they aren't. Within about 20 miles there is Leeds (2.6m) , Batley (38k), Dewsbury (63k), Halifax (88k). That is about 3m people, across 7 clubs across 25 miles. Taking Leeds out - 6 clubs with 400k people between them. And because they are all so close, it goes more inward so people in Shettleston support Wakey, people in Fev will only support Fev, people on the Cas side of Ponte support Cas but wouldn't support Fev. Now presume 1 in 10 people in those towns actually regularly attend rugby league games (ie are your target audience) - you then have 6 teams (discounting Leeds) in competition for about 40k rugby fans to support and attend their team's games.

In contrast, I was raised in Durham (an in-between town for Newcastle and Sunderland - a la Ponte for Cas / Fev but on a bigger scale. Football wise, Durham is / was split between both those clubs largely. The thing was though, there are like 750k people in Newcastle, 175k in Sunderland and 50k in Durham so 1m people to split between 2 teams. If 10% of those people were to attend games, NUFC and SAFC would still be sharing 100k fans between the two of them.

It's saturation with RL. They should focus on bigger towns - either start new teams there or get near-ish teams play games there. Put Shef games on free after Shef Wed / Utd games when you have 25K people already there - put Salford games on after a Man Yoo FA Cup games when you have 70k there - put Sts on in Liverpool after a LC game when you have 50k there.

It's just saturation and everyone is making everyone else thirsty as there are too many trying to grow to close to each other.



Simi
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2356
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 10 20168 years278th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
13th Jun 23 21:4717th Feb 22 13:16LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
I really am rhinoms and haven't stolen his Avatar!

Re: Lenighan blames West Yorkshire mafia : Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:08 pm  
thepimp007 wrote:
They've done? As if it was done on purpose. If by any stretch of the imagination we get remotely close to being a super league club again I would like to think it would be done on the right way via success on the pitch and not any form of licensing or back dooring. Our chairman now though has put structures in place with the academy and reserves that should be the envy of a few super league clubs. Sal obviously sees the value though in what a successful Bradford could bring to the table

Yes what they've done spent above their means cheated the SC then fleeced the goodwill of fans who donated to the 500k "save us" fund.
Self inflicted 100%.
Fallon 
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2093No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 08 200419 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
23rd Jul 20 08:3022nd Jul 20 22:35LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Lenighan blames West Yorkshire mafia : Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:50 pm  
Jamie101 wrote:
For me (coming from the north east originally and then living in Leeds 12 years) the issue is the size of the towns / clubs. I now live in Ponte and it isn't a huge town, yet has one SL team 2 miles from it one side, and one Championship team 2 miles from it on the other. Consequently a small town of 31,000 is split between two teams in the top two divisions. Cas has about 40,000 people and Fev has 15,000. Wakefield is 8 miles from my door. Wakefield is a town of 100k. So that is 3 clubs in the top 2 leagues within 10 miles of one another, with only 185k residents.

This would be fine if the next nearest SL / Champ clubs were 30,40,50 miles away, increasing your catchment area. But they aren't. Within about 20 miles there is Leeds (2.6m) , Batley (38k), Dewsbury (63k), Halifax (88k). That is about 3m people, across 7 clubs across 25 miles. Taking Leeds out - 6 clubs with 400k people between them. And because they are all so close, it goes more inward so people in Shettleston support Wakey, people in Fev will only support Fev, people on the Cas side of Ponte support Cas but wouldn't support Fev. Now presume 1 in 10 people in those towns actually regularly attend rugby league games (ie are your target audience) - you then have 6 teams (discounting Leeds) in competition for about 40k rugby fans to support and attend their team's games.

In contrast, I was raised in Durham (an in-between town for Newcastle and Sunderland - a la Ponte for Cas / Fev but on a bigger scale. Football wise, Durham is / was split between both those clubs largely. The thing was though, there are like 750k people in Newcastle, 175k in Sunderland and 50k in Durham so 1m people to split between 2 teams. If 10% of those people were to attend games, NUFC and SAFC would still be sharing 100k fans between the two of them.

It's saturation with RL. They should focus on bigger towns - either start new teams there or get near-ish teams play games there. Put Shef games on free after Shef Wed / Utd games when you have 25K people already there - put Salford games on after a Man Yoo FA Cup games when you have 70k there - put Sts on in Liverpool after a LC game when you have 50k there.

It's just saturation and everyone is making everyone else thirsty as there are too many trying to grow to close to each other.



Simi


Probably the best post I have ever read on here.
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Chesterrhino, FoxyRhino, Les Dyl's red boots, rollin thunder, Simmo71 and 454 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Leeds Rhinos


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
7m
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Catalans Home
Wanderer
17
8m
No grade A for 2025 for Trinity
financialtim
26
28m
Rd 6 I Cas A
batleyrhino
23
33m
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 6
Les Dyl's re
34
37m
Ky Rodwell
Start@1873
106
43m
Smith - should he stay or should he go
Steve0
353
Recent
21 man Squads - Devils v Leopards
Deeeekos
3
Recent
The official Leon Hayes Thread
Smiffy27
18
Recent
Saints a
Mark_P1973
22
Recent
Squad for Catalan
Smiffy27
17
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
26s
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
34275
38s
Saints a
Mark_P1973
22
38s
21 man Squads - Devils v Leopards
Deeeekos
3
39s
Shopping list for 2025
Tarquin Fueg
405
1m
Squad for Catalan
Smiffy27
17
1m
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Catalans Home
Wanderer
17
1m
Challenge Cup
stpatricks
37
2m
The Good Friday Derby Massacre
ComeOnYouUll
126
3m
Spare Tickets Friday
post
4
3m
Halifax H
Maccbull_Big
32
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Stats article
Sir Gregory
5
TODAY
21 man Squads - Devils v Leopards
Deeeekos
3
TODAY
Squad for Catalan
Smiffy27
17
TODAY
The Wigan Way - New Podcast - Chairman Special
Jukesays
1
TODAY
Dons v Swinton Lions 30 June 2024
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad for Sheffield
AdamH
1
TODAY
London Away
Fartown58
1
TODAY
The Bulls away
terry silver
9
TODAY
The official Leon Hayes Thread
Smiffy27
18
TODAY
Saints a
Mark_P1973
22
TODAY
Leon Ruan signs on loan
Jemmo
2
TODAY
Wardle
Jo Jumbuck
3
TODAY
Huddersfield - Home
Fartown58
6
TODAY
Max Wood on loan to Bradford 2 weeks
rubber ducki
7
TODAY
Jake Wardle 5 Year deal
Zig
22
TODAY
No grade A for 2025 for Trinity
financialtim
26
TODAY
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangements
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Rd 6 I Cas A
batleyrhino
23
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Catalans Home
Wanderer
17
TODAY
Spare Tickets Friday
post
4
TODAY
RL Podcast
AgbriggAmble
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangeme..
506
2024 Challenge Cup Quarter Fin..
634
Easy Does It For The Dragons A..
558
Warrington Demolish London For..
664
Leigh Leopards Beat Plucky Fea..
709
Saints Triumph Over Disappoint..
690
Easy Win for the Wolves Over L..
936
Dragons Condemn Castleford To ..
908
Leigh Leopards Secure First Po..
1053
St Helens Tame The Rhinos To W..
1025
Wigan Warriors Come From Behin..
1077
Betfred Championship and Leagu..
1069
2024 Challenge Cup Sixth Round..
3843
Featherstone Win Extra Time Cu..
1190
Dragons Triumph Over Hull FC t..
1067
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Table 'boards.stats_fixtures' doesn't exist