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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:36 pm 
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Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:Is this going to be new theme now? Mate is simple, if you don't like the product stop watching it. It's not difficult.


That’s the answer is it Marty, if you don’t like it lump it? Rather than voice it and hope for change. So many good things happened in this world because of the voices of others. Good job they didn’t take your attitude.

Why can’t we have a product that we once had? A product that the NRL still has? We play the same sport. We used to put union to shame, now it’s raced ahead of us as entertainment. Shame on that sort of attitude.

And a raised cap isn’t just about big name Aussies, it’s about wanting kids to take up the sport also. Our players are poorly paid in comparison to other sports, and that is a direct consequence of the cap. No wonder the desire and intensity is not there.






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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 7:55 pm 
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Gotcha wrote:That’s the answer is it Marty, if you don’t like it lump it? Rather than voice it and hope for change. So many good things happened in this world because of the voices of others. Good job they didn’t take your attitude.

Why can’t we have a product that we once had? A product that the NRL still has? We play the same sport. We used to put union to shame, now it’s raced ahead of us as entertainment. Shame on that sort of attitude.

And a raised cap isn’t just about big name Aussies, it’s about wanting kids to take up the sport also. Our players are poorly paid in comparison to other sports, and that is a direct consequence of the cap. No wonder the desire and intensity is not there.


I'm shocked you think the players deserve a big pay rise after all the quality of the play is in such decline isn't it? The players now arent as good as their counterparts from 15 years ago yet you think they deserve a big pay rise?

Why would you reward what you deem a poor quality and standard.

Personally I would love to see the players get better rewarded but the clubs cant afford it and the sport cant afford it if we are honest.

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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:23 pm 
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I'm not sure I get this viewpoint that the RFL aliens all it's focus promoting the game in France and Canada.

Catalan have been in superleague offer a decade and are as self sufficient as any of the English teams.

I thought that Toronto were entirely self funded, rather than it being an RFL idea.

I think it's just generally people from tin pot Northern town worried about someone else taking their seat are top table.

Fire me, new interest and be blood in the sport is a good thing. It attracts news and exposure and makes the game more globally accessible.






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Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:I'm shocked you think the players deserve a big pay rise after all the quality of the play is in such decline isn't it? The players now arent as good as their counterparts from 15 years ago yet you think they deserve a big pay rise?

Why would you reward what you deem a poor quality and standard.

Personally I would love to see the players get better rewarded but the clubs cant afford it and the sport cant afford it if we are honest.


I think you have contradicted yourself there Marty. Before the cap was introduced players were on more money. Players were still wanting to play the game when introduced, and in the system. You would see another 15 years of those, as they were already committed. Coincidentally, as those same players have finished and out of the systems, the game as diminished. The cap came in in 1998.

The cap as a rule isn’t the main issue, it’s the amount as I repeat again, and leaving it where tin pot clubs can afford it, just to make them level with the top. In every sport where leagues exist, it’s top league is it’s pinnacle product. Why is ours so close to the bottom level? Because we have it all wrong, that is why. Attitudes need to change, and the gullibility of fans it appears needs to change quick.






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The salary cap isn't the issue, it's the difference collated to the NRL.

It means that so many of our better players can go down under and play in a competition of better quality and be paid more money. It's win win for the player, and it fits help England, but the game over here is in slow decline.

It's in a downward spiral and I'm not sure there is a simple solution to fixing it






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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 7:57 am 
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The RU and NRL markets that once existed have now basically closed and are closed to such an extent that any cap increase would never be enough to re-open them.

Fans who want a cap increase never answer where the money is coming from which I find interesting.

The days of certain top clubs stockpiling players on over sized salaries meaning most games ended in total mismatches and one sided scores are in the most part gone. The clubs that did that pretty much all nearly went to the wall that's the last thing we need to return to.

Let's hope as a sport we don't return to the days of clubs overspending and having to sell their grounds to try and survive cos not many teams have that option anymore.

You cant compare SL with other sports I'm afraid. Were never going to be able to compete with other sports financially.

Football can survive with Man City dominating fir years and years. RL cant survive like that and has to cut its cloth accordingly and grab our slice of the pie that it can from TV deals.

The Cap can be raised but it will go to the same player pool generally. People who believe otherwise are making themselves look out of touch with the sport.

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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:14 am 
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Clubs overspending and having to sell their grounds? These grounds closed have in the main all happened since the cap was introduced. How many clubs have posted profits since the cap was introduced?

Despite this, we now have an inferior product, poor value, and we are no better off, as people like you stating above there is no money.

There is plenty of money for the right product. Even sodding Netball is growing in this country. People cry out for top sports. Companies are dying to invest their marketing into the right product. Kids want to play sports, but they dream of where the money is. Everything is there if it is backed right. Instead of taking the defeatist acceptance attitude, that that is all we have.

The NRL increased their cap significantly the other year. Look what it’s done for them. Stop holding clubs back that can give the product the country craves, and start rewarding them for it instead.






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How many clubs have posted a profit since the cap was introduced????? That's my bloody point. Clubs cant afford the cap now how the hell would increasing it help? Goodness me.

Tbe talent pool no matter the cap isn't increasing. Union players and NRL players will still get more money in union and NRL. The contracts will go up, the debt will increase the businesses will fail. You can pay player A £50k or £75k but hes still player A.

I ask for the third time....where would the money come from to fund the salary cap increase? You have hit the nail on the head by admitting the clubs have no money.

There are more things to do these days for families there are more choices for people. The salary cap isn't impacting junior participation. Your seriously not telling me that when little Jonny says he wants to play RL at aged 8 his family are saying "no son cos if you make the grade your salary wont be good enough".

The clubs have to be run as businesses in my opinion. I would love these great athletes that play our game, which I find disappointing that you criticise them so readily, deserve to be paid much more but the game simply cannot afford it.

The NRL increased their cap because they signed a billion dollar TV deal and could afford to increase their cap mot because the game was struggling financially as our is.


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 Post subject: Re: Relegation
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Gotcha wrote:Clubs overspending and having to sell their grounds? These grounds closed have in the main all happened since the cap was introduced. How many clubs have posted profits since the cap was introduced?

Despite this, we now have an inferior product, poor value, and we are no better off, as people like you stating above there is no money.

There is plenty of money for the right product. Even sodding Netball is growing in this country. People cry out for top sports. Companies are dying to invest their marketing into the right product. Kids want to play sports, but they dream of where the money is. Everything is there if it is backed right. Instead of taking the defeatist acceptance attitude, that that is all we have.

The NRL increased their cap significantly the other year. Look what it’s done for them. Stop holding clubs back that can give the product the country craves, and start rewarding them for it instead.


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Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:How many clubs have posted a profit since the cap was introduced????? That's my bloody point. Clubs cant afford the cap now how the hell would increasing it help? Goodness me.

Tbe talent pool no matter the cap isn't increasing. Union players and NRL players will still get more money in union and NRL. The contracts will go up, the debt will increase the businesses will fail. You can pay player A £50k or £75k but hes still player A.

I ask for the third time....where would the money come from to fund the salary cap increase? You have hit the nail on the head by admitting the clubs have no money.

There are more things to do these days for families there are more choices for people. The salary cap isn't impacting junior participation. Your seriously not telling me that when little Jonny says he wants to play RL at aged 8 his family are saying "no son cos if you make the grade your salary wont be good enough".

The clubs have to be run as businesses in my opinion. I would love these great athletes that play our game, which I find disappointing that you criticise them so readily, deserve to be paid much more but the game simply cannot afford it.

The NRL increased their cap because they signed a billion dollar TV deal and could afford to increase their cap mot because the game was struggling financially as our is.


Completely head in the sand there Marty. And I never said all clubs had no money, I said some, and those who don’t shouldn’t be bringing the rest down like we are.

And if the cap works, what relevance is the point on profit? You say you don’t want to go back to that, then you want to stay as we are with clubs not making profit. Indeed goodness me.

I gave you the answer on where money could come from. But it won’t happen with the product we now have, which to be frank is the worst in the game for the last 30 years. It’s all about the product. And I am not referring to Leeds, I am referring to all. Top team in our comp this year, look untouchable, and at the same time really poor.

You want to run like businesses? Not been disrespectful but do you understand business? There isn’t a successfull business around who has followed what you suggest.






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