Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:11 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

You miss the point FFS - there is a finite amount of money so where do you spend it - do you treat a car crash victim who will definitely die if you don't treat or on a youngster who may or may not commit suicide - these are hideous choices. There are only so many trained professionals so how do you allocate their time. It takes years to train these people so just throwing money at increased salaries isn't the answer IMO - training more is.

I am not arguing that it is not needed but the NHS has to make judgement calls on how it spends its money.

How would you spend it

The starter for 10 would be to NOT promise tax cuts, when life and death situations are being ignored - that was easy want it.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:18 pm  

tigertot wrote: I said compared to the UK it is. I can back up my statement. Over to you. https://www.euronews.com/2019/05/20/eu- ... -be-scrapp ....

tigertot wrote: I said compared to the UK it is. I can back up my statement. Over to you. https://www.euronews.com/2019/05/20/eu- ... -be-scrapp ....

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:21 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The starter for 10 would be to NOT promise tax cuts, when life and death situations are being ignored - that was easy want it.

That is not going to get your mentally ill teenager treated - perhaps we should direct all this money it is going to cost to buy back all these utilities into the NHS? equally easy

So your an overworked professional your choice is a child being abused at home or a teenager contemplating suicide what do you do - these are the choices that have to be made? You are not stupid so why is this such a difficult reality for you to accept?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:21 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The starter for 10 would be to NOT promise tax cuts, when life and death situations are being ignored - that was easy want it.

Should we also stop gender reassignment, gastric bands etc?

Lung Cancer
Obesity
Diabetes
Alcoholism
Drug Addiction
Cosmetic Surgery

as Sal says, where does it start, where does it stop?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:37 pm  

IR80 wrote:

Should we also stop gender reassignment, gastric bands etc?

Lung Cancer
Obesity
Diabetes
Alcoholism
Drug Addiction
Cosmetic Surgery

as Sal says, where does it start, where does it stop?

It is a finite pot of money where demands on it through increased population and advances in clinical and drug techniques are running faster than the money you can put into it. This is not a difficult concept to grasp - seriously!!

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:46 pm  

IR80 wrote: https://www.euronews.com/2019/05/20/eu-parliament-s-114m-a-year-move-to-strasbourg-a-waste-of-money-but-will-it-ever-be-scrapp .... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... estoration

IR80 wrote: https://www.euronews.com/2019/05/20/eu-parliament-s-114m-a-year-move-to-strasbourg-a-waste-of-money-but-will-it-ever-be-scrapp .... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... estoration

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:50 pm  

IR80 wrote:

Should we also stop gender reassignment, gastric bands etc?

Lung Cancer
Obesity
Diabetes
Alcoholism
Drug Addiction
Cosmetic Surgery

as Sal says, where does it start, where does it stop?

So your ok with kids committing suicide ?

I dont know the timetables for treatment of all the above, some of which are extremely serious but, others are not likely to mean the imminent death of someone.
You're the genius, maybe you should decide.

Maybe your solution would be to wait until someone is dangling on a rope or bleeding out and then treat them.
Personally, I would suggest that, where possible, it may be better not to let things reach that point.

As I said in my pervious post, our current government has slashed certain services during the 10+ years of austerity and would rather cut taxes for the top 5% of earners that help people at the bottom of the pile.
In what type of civilised society can this be right ??

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:51 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

It is a finite pot of money where demands on it through increased population and advances in clinical and drug techniques are running faster than the money you can put into it. This is not a difficult concept to grasp - seriously!!

You really are a prize tool.

I asked earlier why or how it can be right to offer tax cuts, when there are such serious issues to deal with - get a grip man.

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:31 pm  

No name calling or we'll all get dun.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:51 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

No name calling or we'll all get dun.

Agreed, we have differences, but we can discuss as grown ups.

Personally, I cannot decide who is more "deserving", a suicidal teenager, a lung cancer sufferer who has smoked 100 a week, a dementia sufferer, someone who identifies as a different gender, someone who is overweight but cannot stop eating.

As Sal has said, where does it stop?

Now, were it a family member of mine needing the help and support I can't say, in good conscience, that I wouldn't step over a stranger to help my flesh and blood. That is human nature.

What I dislike is these politicians, on all sides, earning £100k plus, claiming expenses etc. and pontificating to me that I should pay more tax for them to squander. I have been aroud the Westminster Machine for years, and believe me, whichever cheeks are sat on the seat at No 10, the (un)Civil Servants do not change.

But it's all going to be OK, France and Finland have given the UK an ultimatum, personally I'd say well "f'k you", see how your combined strengths in trade, defense etc. serve you.