That's if you're dim-witted enough to claim Brexit is nothing more than a Tory bill. Or doing your best to absolve Labour of any responsibility in this sorry affair.

Yes, Cameron called the referendum, but [ifor the billionth time[/i, alongside the Tories, Labour voted for the referendum (a massive result of 544 vs 53). Time after time they swore to 'respect and honour' the result. They voted for Article 50. They campaigned on a leave manifesto. It's as much a result of Labour policy as it is anyone else.

Oh, and let's not forget that around 150 Labour MPs represent Leave constituencies. The bullshttery coming out of their mouths these days is simply embarrassing.

Now, I wouldn't dream of saying anyone doing all of the above for almost 4 years and then changing their minds to: reverse Brexit/2nd referendum/damage the Tories, is a traitor. But they can hardly be considered honourable or trustworthy. If you're surprised people (including millions of Labour voters) are furious, you probably shouldn't be trying to debate the issue.

I can tell you the anger towards MPs such as Nandy and Platt around Wigan/Leigh is palpable.

Actually nah...feck the duplicitous lying turncoats, string 'em up from the Tower.

You were doing fine up until that third paragraph and then out came the old nonsense about Labour.

I think you find that the problem in 2008 was called the global financial crisis not the Labour financial crisis. You'll also, with a bit research, find that Labours borrowing leading up to 2008 was not excessive and that the head of the Bank of England contirmed that Labour were not at fault.

I never said Labour caused the issues, what I said was the coalition inherited a mess?

Fair enough.

Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise" Maybe I have missed something?'" Don’t think so. Here’s the key points from the manifesto. https://vote.conservatives.com/our-plan Get Brexit Done, obviously. Increased spending on some public services, while controlling debt (‘controlling’ in this context may or may not be defined in the main document, I cba to check) and not raising income tax, VAT or National Insurance. No rain on bank holidays. The point is, they haven’t said very much about how they want to go about ‘unleashing Britain’s potential’. Not only is there no real detail, there’s not even a broad vision that goes beyond ‘confidence’ and ‘rising to challenges’. Maybe we’ll identify synergies to achieve some efficiencies and create prosperity. tbf, i’m fine with a degree of pragmatism and i’m not demanding a Johnsonian ideology. I’m just curious as to 1. What they’re going to do and how, and 2. Whether they know themselves yet. What model do you think they should be looking at as the UK remodels itself?

Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise" Maybe I have missed something?'" Don’t think so. Here’s the key points from the manifesto. https://vote.conservatives.com/our-plan Get Brexit Done, obviously. Increased spending on some public services, while controlling debt (‘controlling’ in this context may or may not be defined in the main document, I cba to check) and not raising income tax, VAT or National Insurance. No rain on bank holidays. The point is, they haven’t said very much about how they want to go about ‘unleashing Britain’s potential’. Not only is there no real detail, there’s not even a broad vision that goes beyond ‘confidence’ and ‘rising to challenges’. Maybe we’ll identify synergies to achieve some efficiencies and create prosperity. tbf, i’m fine with a degree of pragmatism and i’m not demanding a Johnsonian ideology. I’m just curious as to 1. What they’re going to do and how, and 2. Whether they know themselves yet. What model do you think they should be looking at as the UK remodels itself?

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