Re: Game on. Catalans : Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:29 pm  

1315trinity wrote:

Hard to knock individuals when we aren't getting results, but it's clear some players are not up to it.
I honestly now don't believe we have the quality of players across the park to turn this round.
I think that's the only thing that's saving CC's head.
I'm very doubtful any coach could improve some of the players we have.
Very sad for the diehard supporter but I haven't felt as pessimistic as this for years.

If what you say is correct then you have to make the team as a whole better than the sum of it’s parts by making us tough to beat having tight defensive systems and a solid attacking structure. Everybody needs to know their job and do their individual work within the overall plan. Sadly we are not seeing that and i’m no longer sure the current coach has it within his skills set to implement it.

Re: Game on. Catalans : Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:36 pm  

Sacred Cow wrote:

If what you say is correct then you have to make the team as a whole better than the sum of it’s parts by making us tough to beat having tight defensive systems and a solid attacking structure. Everybody needs to know their job and do their individual work within the overall plan. Sadly we are not seeing that and i’m no longer sure the current coach has it within his skills set to implement it.

Well it's only my opinion SC , I have no answers because I don't know how to run a team, but the league table doesn't lie and we've got one hell of a battle on our hands,

Re: Game on. Catalans : Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:43 pm  

1315trinity wrote:

Well it's only my opinion SC , I have no answers because I don't know how to run a team, but the league table doesn't lie and we've got one hell of a battle on our hands,

I’m not disagreeing believe me! We are what we are, a bottom 3 side. I do think though we are better than 8 wins in 42 and there are things you can do to improve the team without wholesale player changes, coaches and managers in various sports have been doing since sport began, i just don’t think the current incumbent can do that now. I feel it’s time for a change.

Re: Game on. Catalans : Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:49 pm  

Sacred Cow wrote:

I’m not disagreeing believe me! We are what we are, a bottom 3 side. I do think though we are better than 8 wins in 42 and there are things you can do to improve the team without wholesale player changes, coaches and managers in various sports have been doing since sport began, i just don’t think the current incumbent can do that now. I feel it’s time for a change.

Yeah well it's taken some time for me to get there but I think you're right.

Re: Game on. Catalans : Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:32 pm  

I tried to watch the tries on Sky video but the screen went blank, it looks like my iPad is now censoring our games to avoid embarrassment.

Re: Game on. Catalans : Sat May 01, 2021 6:55 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

The bottom line is that this is just another defeat. What is that now 9 out of 44, so whichever way you look at it this does not bode well for our SL future.

I know you're trying to make a point and with cherry-picking like that there's maybe a job for you in politics.

I only make it 9 from 43, but usually you don't include the win against Bradford in the cup, so 8 from 42?

It's surely a coincidence that immediately prior to your chosen cut-off point we won 9 from 15 before the massive injury list of 2019 kicked in.

Then last year, by the same method, you could have said we won 3 from 5 at the end of the season, but chose not to.

This season has been a poor start, but when you look at the fixture list, it's hardly surprising. Only teams from last year's top 6 in the first 7 games and all but one away from home. Have we ever had such a tough start to the season?

2020 was mostly a write off, but even then, prior to lock down, we were 3 from 6. During the peak of Covid disruptions after the restart in August, we did lose 10 in row, but again, look at the opposition: Catalans 3 times, Wigan twice, Saints twice, Warrington, Hull FC and Huddersfield. Our focus was on completing the fixture list to ensure income from Sky to keep the club afloat. With no relegation and compressed fixtures, they had the feeling of a series of friendlies. In that respect, we were successful. We played more games than any other team and played even when we could have postponed.

Bottom line, we're nowhere near as bad as you're trying to make out. For me, Chester is under huge pressure and will have to make a big turnaround to avoid losing his job. Like I've said before, I'd give him to the Salford game at the start of July where we need to be more than 2 points above the relegation place. If not, he gets replaced then. If he does make it, he gets to the end of the season, but if we finish in the bottom 3, then he is replaced in the off season.

A list of fixtures back to the 2019 season. A very challenging period, but a win rate of 31% despite all that.

# Competition Date Year Res F A Opposition
1 Super League XXVI 2021 Apr 30th 2021 L 18 38 H Catalans
2 Super League XXVI 2021 Apr 23rd 2021 L 14 20 A Hull FC
3 Super League XXVI 2021 Apr 16th 2021 L 6 34 A St Helens
4 Challenge Cup 2021 Apr 10th 2021 L 6 26 N Catalans
5 Super League XXVI 2021 Apr 1st 2021 L 6 34 N Wigan
6 Super League XXVI 2021 Mar 27th 2021 L 22 28 N Leeds
7 Super League XXV 2020 Nov 6th 2020 L 20 28 A Salford
8 Super League XXV 2020 Nov 1st 2020 L 18 20 H Leeds
9 Super League XXV 2020 Oct 29th 2020 W 30 6 A Leeds
10 Super League XXV 2020 Oct 25th 2020 W 48 18 H Hull Kingston Rovers
11 Super League XXV 2020 Oct 22nd 2020 W 18 14 N Huddersfield
12 Super League XXV 2020 Oct 15th 2020 L 6 48 N St Helens
13 Super League XXV 2020 Oct 9th 2020 L 16 20 N St Helens
14 Super League XXV 2020 Oct 4th 2020 L 8 40 A Catalans
15 Super League XXV 2020 Sep 25th 2020 L 16 28 N Wigan
16 Super League XXV 2020 Sep 17th 2020 L 6 29 A Huddersfield
17 Super League XXV 2020 Sep 10th 2020 L 23 26 N Hull FC
18 Super League XXV 2020 Aug 30th 2020 L 0 36 A Warrington
19 Challenge Cup 2020 Aug 22nd 2020 L 24 36 N Catalans
20 Super League XXV 2020 Aug 15th 2020 L 0 58 N Catalans
21 Super League XXV 2020 Aug 9th 2020 L 22 23 N Wigan
22 Challenge Cup 2020 Mar 13th 2020 W 17 14 H Bradford
23 Super League XXV 2020 Mar 6th 2020 L 26 27 H Hull FC
24 Super League XXV 2020 Mar 1st 2020 W 22 12 A Salford
25 Super League XXV 2020 Feb 21st 2020 L 15 32 A Castleford Tigers
26 Super League XXV 2020 Feb 16th 2020 W 18 8 H Warrington
27 Super League XXV 2020 Jan 31st 2020 L 12 30 A Hull Kingston Rovers
28 Super League XXIV 2019 Sep 13th 2019 W 19 10 H London
29 Super League XXIV 2019 Sep 6th 2019 L 16 23 A Warrington
30 Super League XXIV 2019 Sep 1st 2019 L 16 24 H Wigan
31 Super League XXIV 2019 Aug 18th 2019 W 38 10 A Hull Kingston Rovers
32 Super League XXIV 2019 Aug 11th 2019 L 16 26 H Hull FC
33 Super League XXIV 2019 Aug 2nd 2019 L 6 26 A St Helens
34 Super League XXIV 2019 Jul 18th 2019 L 16 46 A Wigan
35 Super League XXIV 2019 Jul 12th 2019 L 16 36 H Castleford Tigers
36 Super League XXIV 2019 Jul 6th 2019 L 10 44 A Catalans
37 Super League XXIV 2019 Jun 28th 2019 W 36 10 H Huddersfield
38 Super League XXIV 2019 Jun 21st 2019 L 6 30 A Warrington
39 Super League XXIV 2019 Jun 16th 2019 L 20 44 A Salford
40 Super League XXIV 2019 Jun 7th 2019 L 0 10 H Leeds
41 Challenge Cup 2019 Jun 1st 2019 L 10 48 A St Helens
42 Super League XXIV 2019 May 25th 2019 L 18 25 A Catalans
43 Super League XXIV 2019 May 18th 2019 L 34 42 A London
44 Challenge Cup 2019 May 10th 2019 W 26 6 H Widnes
45 Super League XXIV 2019 May 5th 2019 W 26 25 A Huddersfield
46 Super League XXIV 2019 Apr 28th 2019 L 14 30 A Hull FC
47 Super League XXIV 2019 Apr 22nd 2019 W 26 24 H Leeds
48 Super League XXIV 2019 Apr 18th 2019 L 26 28 A Castleford Tigers
49 Super League XXIV 2019 Apr 12th 2019 W 30 20 H Wigan
50 Super League XXIV 2019 Apr 5th 2019 W 17 16 H Huddersfield
51 Super League XXIV 2019 Mar 31st 2019 W 33 22 H Salford
52 Super League XXIV 2019 Mar 21st 2019 L 32 34 H Warrington
53 Super League XXIV 2019 Mar 15th 2019 W 32 12 A Hull FC
54 Super League XXIV 2019 Mar 10th 2019 L 6 10 H Hull Kingston Rovers
55 Super League XXIV 2019 Mar 1st 2019 W 35 18 A Leeds
56 Super League XXIV 2019 Feb 21st 2019 W 22 12 H Catalans
57 Super League XXIV 2019 Feb 10th 2019 L 18 24 H St Helens
58 Super League XXIV 2019 Feb 3rd 2019 L 24 42 A London

Re: Game on. Catalans : Sat May 01, 2021 7:09 am  

coco the fullback wrote:

I know you're trying to make a point and with cherry-picking like that there's maybe a job for you in politics.

I only make it 9 from 43, but usually you don't include the win against Bradford in the cup, so 8 from 42?

It's surely a coincidence that immediately prior to your chosen cut-off point we won 9 from 15 before the massive injury list of 2019 kicked in.

Then last year, by the same method, you could have said we won 3 from 5 at the end of the season, but chose not to.

This season has been a poor start, but when you look at the fixture list, it's hardly surprising. Only teams from last year's top 6 in the first 7 games and all but one away from home. Have we ever had such a tough start to the season?

2020 was mostly a write off, but even then, prior to lock down, we were 3 from 6. During the peak of Covid disruptions after the restart in August, we did lose 10 in row, but again, look at the opposition: Catalans 3 times, Wigan twice, Saints twice, Warrington, Hull FC and Huddersfield. Our focus was on completing the fixture list to ensure income from Sky to keep the club afloat. With no relegation and compressed fixtures, they had the feeling of a series of friendlies. In that respect, we were successful. We played more games than any other team and played even when we could have postponed.

Bottom line, we're nowhere near as bad as you're trying to make out. For me, Chester is under huge pressure and will have to make a big turnaround to avoid losing his job. Like I've said before, I'd give him to the Salford game at the start of July where we need to be more than 2 points above the relegation place. If not, he gets replaced then. If he does make it, he gets to the end of the season, but if we finish in the bottom 3, then he is replaced in the off season.

A list of fixtures back to the 2019 season. A very challenging period, but a win rate of 31% despite all that.

# Competition Date Year Res F A Opposition
1 Super League XXVI 2021 Apr 30th 2021 L 18 38 H Catalans
2 Super League XXVI 2021 Apr 23rd 2021 L 14 20 A Hull FC
3 Super League XXVI 2021 Apr 16th 2021 L 6 34 A St Helens
4 Challenge Cup 2021 Apr 10th 2021 L 6 26 N Catalans
5 Super League XXVI 2021 Apr 1st 2021 L 6 34 N Wigan
6 Super League XXVI 2021 Mar 27th 2021 L 22 28 N Leeds
7 Super League XXV 2020 Nov 6th 2020 L 20 28 A Salford
8 Super League XXV 2020 Nov 1st 2020 L 18 20 H Leeds
9 Super League XXV 2020 Oct 29th 2020 W 30 6 A Leeds
10 Super League XXV 2020 Oct 25th 2020 W 48 18 H Hull Kingston Rovers
11 Super League XXV 2020 Oct 22nd 2020 W 18 14 N Huddersfield
12 Super League XXV 2020 Oct 15th 2020 L 6 48 N St Helens
13 Super League XXV 2020 Oct 9th 2020 L 16 20 N St Helens
14 Super League XXV 2020 Oct 4th 2020 L 8 40 A Catalans
15 Super League XXV 2020 Sep 25th 2020 L 16 28 N Wigan
16 Super League XXV 2020 Sep 17th 2020 L 6 29 A Huddersfield
17 Super League XXV 2020 Sep 10th 2020 L 23 26 N Hull FC
18 Super League XXV 2020 Aug 30th 2020 L 0 36 A Warrington
19 Challenge Cup 2020 Aug 22nd 2020 L 24 36 N Catalans
20 Super League XXV 2020 Aug 15th 2020 L 0 58 N Catalans
21 Super League XXV 2020 Aug 9th 2020 L 22 23 N Wigan
22 Challenge Cup 2020 Mar 13th 2020 W 17 14 H Bradford
23 Super League XXV 2020 Mar 6th 2020 L 26 27 H Hull FC
24 Super League XXV 2020 Mar 1st 2020 W 22 12 A Salford
25 Super League XXV 2020 Feb 21st 2020 L 15 32 A Castleford Tigers
26 Super League XXV 2020 Feb 16th 2020 W 18 8 H Warrington
27 Super League XXV 2020 Jan 31st 2020 L 12 30 A Hull Kingston Rovers
28 Super League XXIV 2019 Sep 13th 2019 W 19 10 H London
29 Super League XXIV 2019 Sep 6th 2019 L 16 23 A Warrington
30 Super League XXIV 2019 Sep 1st 2019 L 16 24 H Wigan
31 Super League XXIV 2019 Aug 18th 2019 W 38 10 A Hull Kingston Rovers
32 Super League XXIV 2019 Aug 11th 2019 L 16 26 H Hull FC
33 Super League XXIV 2019 Aug 2nd 2019 L 6 26 A St Helens
34 Super League XXIV 2019 Jul 18th 2019 L 16 46 A Wigan
35 Super League XXIV 2019 Jul 12th 2019 L 16 36 H Castleford Tigers
36 Super League XXIV 2019 Jul 6th 2019 L 10 44 A Catalans
37 Super League XXIV 2019 Jun 28th 2019 W 36 10 H Huddersfield
38 Super League XXIV 2019 Jun 21st 2019 L 6 30 A Warrington
39 Super League XXIV 2019 Jun 16th 2019 L 20 44 A Salford
40 Super League XXIV 2019 Jun 7th 2019 L 0 10 H Leeds
41 Challenge Cup 2019 Jun 1st 2019 L 10 48 A St Helens
42 Super League XXIV 2019 May 25th 2019 L 18 25 A Catalans
43 Super League XXIV 2019 May 18th 2019 L 34 42 A London
44 Challenge Cup 2019 May 10th 2019 W 26 6 H Widnes
45 Super League XXIV 2019 May 5th 2019 W 26 25 A Huddersfield
46 Super League XXIV 2019 Apr 28th 2019 L 14 30 A Hull FC
47 Super League XXIV 2019 Apr 22nd 2019 W 26 24 H Leeds
48 Super League XXIV 2019 Apr 18th 2019 L 26 28 A Castleford Tigers
49 Super League XXIV 2019 Apr 12th 2019 W 30 20 H Wigan
50 Super League XXIV 2019 Apr 5th 2019 W 17 16 H Huddersfield
51 Super League XXIV 2019 Mar 31st 2019 W 33 22 H Salford
52 Super League XXIV 2019 Mar 21st 2019 L 32 34 H Warrington
53 Super League XXIV 2019 Mar 15th 2019 W 32 12 A Hull FC
54 Super League XXIV 2019 Mar 10th 2019 L 6 10 H Hull Kingston Rovers
55 Super League XXIV 2019 Mar 1st 2019 W 35 18 A Leeds
56 Super League XXIV 2019 Feb 21st 2019 W 22 12 H Catalans
57 Super League XXIV 2019 Feb 10th 2019 L 18 24 H St Helens
58 Super League XXIV 2019 Feb 3rd 2019 L 24 42 A London

Im guessing your wanting relegation then cos as things stand thats whats gonna happen

Re: Game on. Catalans : Sat May 01, 2021 7:36 am  

Luppylad wrote:

Im guessing your wanting relegation then cos as things stand thats whats gonna happen

Why would I want relegation?
"As things stand"? well yes, of course, we've not won a game yet, so if you project that form to the end of the season then we'll be relegated. I'm not panicking yet. We've still got 80% of the season to play, it's too early to tell.

Re: Game on. Catalans : Sat May 01, 2021 7:54 am  

coco the fullback wrote:

Why would I want relegation?
"As things stand"? well yes, of course, we've not won a game yet, so if you project that form to the end of the season then we'll be relegated. I'm not panicking yet. We've still got 80% of the season to play, it's too early to tell.

Thanks for your recent positive comments coco, I’m as disappointed as anyone with recent results, but the constant negative comments from a small section of our fans, does my head in. I don’t shy away from what’s happening on field, and just at the time when there’s real hope of Stadium redevelopment which we should be shouting from the rooftops, all we get is negatively from this small section of fans. Yes, have a bit of a moan, get it out of your system, but for god’s sake don’t drag the club down, if you are supporters, then Support.

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Re: Game on. Catalans : Sat May 01, 2021 8:09 am  

coco the fullback wrote:

Why would I want relegation?
"As things stand"? well yes, of course, we've not won a game yet, so if you project that form to the end of the season then we'll be relegated. I'm not panicking yet. We've still got 80% of the season to play, it's too early to tell.

80% with home games and teams not expecting to be top 4. Long way to go.