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Re: Toronto woes : Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:31 pm  
I would love to go, but to be honest am not willing to risk it at the moment with flights that cannot be cancelled.

Toronto is a really nice town as well
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Re: Toronto woes : Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:33 pm  
It does make you think that TWP may not play in Toronto at all this season. Is this stadium thing just a smoke screen?
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Re: Toronto woes : Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:35 pm  
Renamed Manchester uni Wolfpack next year
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Re: Toronto woes : Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:20 am  
Makes me wonder if this is just another smokescreen in a series of ever increasing problems for the Wolfpack....House of cards????
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Re: Toronto woes : Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:10 pm  
According to nobby out of the 1500 that watched the Skolars Toronto game last year 1000 of them were Canadians hence the decision to play the fax game down there
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£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:

Re: Toronto woes : Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:08 pm  
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It does make you think that TWP may not play in Toronto at all this season.

...that'll upset the 10,000 season ticket holders as well as a few Breweries and a hot dog factory too..... :wink:
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Re: Toronto woes : Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:18 pm  
That was another comment from nobby, the 10000 fans. Would be great if it was true but it’s pie in the sky figures.
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£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:

Re: Toronto woes : Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:49 am  
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That was another comment from nobby, the 10000 fans. Would be great if it was true but it’s pie in the sky figures.

Toronto Wolfpack gates in 2016 were neither here nor there.......even at 7k they will not be self sufficient...they need a TV deal and they ain't getting one unless there are more NA teams in.......so we have a chicken and an Egg scenario......do we let them into SL and wait for NYC/Boston and Hamilton to join them and see if they can muster a TV deal inside the next decade, or do we simply let them in and see how long their owner will throw cash at the experiment as happened with us?
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Re: Toronto woes : Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:36 am  
Interested in your suggestion then Dog.
Not many clubs in any of the leagues who are actually self sufficient, so they nearly all need cash thrown at them by a generous benefactor to keep going, without those benefactors there is no sport, and it’s not just RL in that position either.
Another comment from a previous post, you say TWP dilute the talent pool. That then raises the other question, so what if they dilute the talent pool? You only increase that pool by expanding, in sport to expand you have to accept the pool of better players will be spread thinner to get other players to that standard, if as a sport you are not willing to do that you can never grow.
Do we (nothing to do with us) let them into SL? If they earn that right then why not, but it has to be earned, I am not a fan of franchise and buying your place in the top flight per se, for me, and yes it’s my opinion the only way up should be promotion and relegation. Yes I know in effect with spending on recruitment TWP are still buying there way in but you can’t really change that unless you go NFL route.
But along with that you have to have a financial structure and player contract protection that does away with the current impact of losing the million pound game.
Are TWP a good investment for the sport? That’s up to woodsy to decide
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Re: Toronto woes : Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:52 am  
I think a well run organisation would put Delloite, PwC or similar through them to see how the business is run and is being propped up etc. Are the fit and proper???

If not we may well be embarrassed again
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