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Re: Toronto woes : Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:15 pm  
It’s not just us though, it’s probably most sports clubs in the country, very few could survive on gate receipts
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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:

Re: Toronto woes : Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:26 pm  
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It’s not just us though, it’s probably most sports clubs in the country, very few could survive on gate receipts

As we have seen on these very boards over the years, Harlequins RL was into Mr Hughes for about £2 million a year (definitely during the period 2009-2012). At the time I believe a ST woked out at £15 a game and walk up was £18 or £20....but to be sure, let's just assume it was £17.00 a ticket per game.
9,050 fans paying £17 a game over 13 matches a season is £50 over what Mr Hughes was putting into the club. That is of course 9,050 fans over and above the ones we had, so in 2009 that would have been a 12,500 average to break even and in 2012, 11,850 to break even..........that's with the SKY cash and income from Tickets and also includes any commercial income we had coming in at the time.......yet we did nothing to attract new fans to games. :roll:

As Toronto will soon discover, 10,000 Canadians will need to pay considerably more than the £5 a ticket that was on offer last year for Toronto to be anything other than a money pit.....they are on cable TV.......and I don't mean like Virgin Media are cable, more like "waynes world" cable. Their sponsor seems less than happy with the return on their flights for logo on a shirt deal and they will now have to essentially re-launch their offering some 10 months after they last played at home.......I applaud the bluster and bravado, but I do worry that they are being built on very very flimsy foundations which SL Chairmen will not be fooled by....well, maybe Adam Pearson, but not anyone who counts. :wink:
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Re: Toronto woes : Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:06 pm  
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I think a well run organisation would put Delloite, PwC or similar through them to see how the business is run and is being propped up etc. Are the fit and proper???

If not we may well be embarrassed again


You mean subject them to the same scrutiny by an accountancy firm as in the 2011 licencing bids? The one where the firm charged with auditing the applicants gave Crusaders a clean bill of health?
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