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Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:44 am  

Not much to choose between them really. Farrell slightly better internationally but both were part of a poor era for GB/England.

Sculthorpe was as good as them both.

Hanley better than all three. Both domestically and internationally.

Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:47 am  

I don't think LF was eithers best position TBH. always thought Faz was a better no nonsense back row or prop and Sinfield had his best years at stand off for leeds.

If i had to pick as a LF i think Farrell was the better of the two. Hanley is the best in that position i have ever seen by a distance.

Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:58 am  

wakey_saint wrote:

Kevin Sinfield never won the Man of Steel award...Paul Sculthorpe is the only player in history to win it 2 years in a row.

Also, Sinfield won the Golden Boot in a year where England won an international series playing against France and Wales whereas Australia played a 1-off game vs NZ at the end of the season and nothing more so wasn't really much competition for it.

As for exploits in an international shirt, Sculthorpe will be remembered for the game at Huddersfield vs Australia when he pretty much single handedly took the game to the Aussies and beat them in one of the best performances I've ever seen from one of our players in an international shirt. Sinfield will be remembered for shooting out of the line and missing Shaun Johnson in a World Cup semi final to cost us a place in the final.

Sinfield was a great leader and brought a lot to the Leeds side...you can't disagree how important he was to their success and should be respected for his achievements. But as all round players, both Sculthorpe and Farrell were a lot better and performed better at international level.

I would agree Sculthorpe was a better all round player, and if it was not for injuries would have been the best player in the world, yes he did have a couple of good games internationally, but also limped round a few international games and failed to show up more than a few times as well. as for Farrell, did absolutely nothing at international level whatsoever, should not have even been i the side for anywhere near as long as he was never mind captain. complete myth that he had a good international career ultimate flat track bully. People overlook Sinfields international career (another myth) just to suit here agenda. Sinfield was nominate for golden boot twice don't forget, King wally Lewis himself rated him very highly and voted for him twice for Golden boot. but he do not let the facts cloud your judgement.

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Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:03 pm  

rollin thunder wrote:

I would agree Sculthorpe was a better all round player, and if it was not for injuries would have been the best player in the world, yes he did have a couple of good games internationally, but also limped round a few international games and failed to show up more than a few times as well. as for Farrell, did absolutely nothing at international level whatsoever, should not have even been i the side for anywhere near as long as he was never mind captain. complete myth that he had a good international career ultimate flat track bully. People overlook Sinfields international career (another myth) just to suit here agenda. Sinfield was nominate for golden boot twice don't forget, King wally Lewis himself rated him very highly and voted for him twice for Golden boot. but he do not let the facts cloud your judgement.

None of the three can really say they had a good career internationally however Farrell and Sculthorpe were both in sides that beat Australia albeit in one off games. Farrell was instrumental in the GB win over Australia at Old Trafford in 97 - did that slip your mind?

Not sure Sinfield was ever in a side that beat the Aussies.

There's not much between them really but if I had to choose I'd go for Sculthorpe at loose forward.

Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:36 pm  

JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:

It all depends upon the time frame: 20 years? 30 years? 50 years?

20 years: 1. Paul Sculthorpe, 2. Kevin Sinfield.
30 years: 1. Ellery Hanley, 2. Paul Sculthorpe, 3. Kevin Sinfield
50 years: 1. Ellery Hanley, 2. Malcolm Reilly, 3. Paul Sculthorpe, 4. Kevin Sinfield.

Andy Farrell was a star at the club level but never shone in international games. Therefore he could never be considered great, let alone the best.

Stick Steve Norton in there for that time frame and you might be taken seriously.

Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:57 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

None of the three can really say they had a good career internationally however Farrell and Sculthorpe were both in sides that beat Australia albeit in one off games. Farrell was instrumental in the GB win over Australia at Old Trafford in 97 - did that slip your mind?

Not sure Sinfield was ever in a side that beat the Aussies.

There's not much between them really but if I had to choose I'd go for Sculthorpe at loose forward.

To be fair, Sinfield was a makeshift scrum half/hooker when we beat them at Huddersfield in 2001 (Long, Deacon, Cunnigham and Netwton were all injured, can't remember whether Briers, Martyn and Lowes were injured or just omitted). I suppose his versatility was therefore useful to us, as it has been throughout his career. He didn't really have a big game or anything though, Sculthorpe (also playing in the halves) was on fire.

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Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:24 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

To be fair, Sinfield was a makeshift scrum half/hooker when we beat them at Huddersfield in 2001 (Long, Deacon, Cunnigham and Netwton were all injured, can't remember whether Briers, Martyn and Lowes were injured or just omitted). I suppose his versatility was therefore useful to us, as it has been throughout his career. He didn't really have a big game or anything though, Sculthorpe (also playing in the halves) was on fire.

Thanks for reminding me. I was sat right in front of Peacock when he scored.

Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:40 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Thanks for reminding me. I was sat right in front of Peacock when he scored.

That tour was when I saw my first live international! The second test at Bolton, that is

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Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:26 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

That tour was when I saw my first live international! The second test at Bolton, that is

Re: Best loose forward : Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:00 pm  

A neutral view;
Sinfield underrated
Farrell overrated
Sculthorpe miles better than both.