Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:28 pm  

agree about 50/50 calls
however a lot of the big decisions given wrongly are clear cut and inexcusable.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:10 am  

I'm not saying the standard is always good enough, it isn't. Certainly no fan of James Child generally speaking.
I just think some fans get too emotional about it all, and can't see past their club blinkers. You can take decisions away from the ref through good ball security, dominating in the tackle, being fit so you stay crisp around the ruck and in the defensive line, not running behind your own players, not using foul play, etc.
I actually think the refereeing has looked better this year so far than last. I like the increased speed the game is being played at, and I think they've just about got the balance right between on-field decisions and video ref.
It's a fine line between keeping the game flowing, and making sure every possible decision has all the available scrutiny. Usually over 80 minutes a side has more than enough chance and responsibility to achieve the result they deserve though.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:36 am  

IMO FWIW after watching the game again last night, we were on the back end of more dubiuos decisions than St's were but were still the 2nd best side for the whole of the 2nd half. Lets face it we didn't score a point in the last 40, maybe we should of been given another chance to attack the line in the last 5 minutes but we didnt do enough to keep in front or win. Thouroghly entertaining game but i think on balance the better side won.
So encouraged by that showing from the lads and if we can keep up the intensity and keep improving on the spine then we will win more than we lose. I can see us finishing in 5th this year and in my book that will be a result

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:51 am  

I would have liked to have seen us have enough composure to take the one point early on in the second half. From memory, we were down there quite quickly then came up with a nothing kick and ended up conceding right off the back of it.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing...

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:38 am  

LeedsLurch wrote:

IMO FWIW after watching the game again last night, we were on the back end of more dubiuos decisions than St's were but were still the 2nd best side for the whole of the 2nd half. Lets face it we didn't score a point in the last 40, maybe we should of been given another chance to attack the line in the last 5 minutes but we didnt do enough to keep in front or win. Thouroghly entertaining game but i think on balance the better side won.
So encouraged by that showing from the lads and if we can keep up the intensity and keep improving on the spine then we will win more than we lose. I can see us finishing in 5th this year and in my book that will be a result

Yep would agree. I think I've already seen more from Leeds this year than for the second half of last year, and I'm happy with that.

We certainly shouldn't be mired in a relegation fight this year.

Injuries have yet to take their toll on sides this year, so we'll see where we end up. Four games in and we're already a few bodies down - and we didn't even start the season with everyone fit from last year!

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:33 pm  

LeedsLurch wrote:

IMO FWIW after watching the game again last night, we were on the back end of more dubiuos decisions than St's were but were still the 2nd best side for the whole of the 2nd half. Lets face it we didn't score a point in the last 40, maybe we should of been given another chance to attack the line in the last 5 minutes but we didnt do enough to keep in front or win. Thouroghly entertaining game but i think on balance the better side won.
So encouraged by that showing from the lads and if we can keep up the intensity and keep improving on the spine then we will win more than we lose. I can see us finishing in 5th this year and in my book that will be a result

You certainly should of been given the scrum and had chance to attack our line with 5 minutes to go ( or there abouts ) even if you didn't score right away you may of forced a repeat set and built pressure.
As a non Leeds fan i can only say what i saw from Leeds was quite encouraging,fast ball movement and exploiting lms at centre worked very well for you in the first half. The big worry for you is the defence of your 6 who gave up so much easy ground ( i would expect Furner to sort that out quickly ). Also some poor tackling in the second half cost you. All in all it's looking quite bright for you and you are deffo on the up.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Tue Feb 26, 2019 2:57 pm  

brook40 wrote:

You certainly should of been given the scrum and had chance to attack our line with 5 minutes to go ( or there abouts ) even if you didn't score right away you may of forced a repeat set and built pressure.
As a non Leeds fan i can only say what i saw from Leeds was quite encouraging,fast ball movement and exploiting lms at centre worked very well for you in the first half. The big worry for you is the defence of your 6 who gave up so much easy ground ( i would expect Furner to sort that out quickly ). Also some poor tackling in the second half cost you. All in all it's looking quite bright for you and you are deffo on the up.

Good summary, obviously I don't speak for all Rhinos fans but I think one of the most pleasing things about the first 4 games - (well maybe not the first game) is we look to be trying to playing attractive RL with some really nice structure in attack, and even though I haven't been the most critical of the the team over the last few years I will say even when winning the title in 2017 we haven't been the most attractive team to watch, I think this is changing, and with Hurrell we have a player who is the definition of an exciting player to watch, he will make errors but I think the entertainment to error ratio is worth it.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:12 pm  

christopher wrote:

Good summary, obviously I don't speak for all Rhinos fans but I think one of the most pleasing things about the first 4 games - (well maybe not the first game) is we look to be trying to playing attractive RL with some really nice structure in attack, and even though I haven't been the most critical of the the team over the last few years I will say even when winning the title in 2017 we haven't been the most attractive team to watch, I think this is changing, and with Hurrell we have a player who is the definition of an exciting player to watch, he will make errors but I think the entertainment to error ratio is worth it.

I agree and would add that I think the teams performances have improved week on week which is good to see.

The shape we had at Saints and the depth of our attack was fantastic to see.

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:33 am  

I ran to and from the gents on Friday during the first half because I didn't want to miss anything. It's been a long time since I've done that at a game so on that basis alone I think we'll do okay this year!

Re: SL RD 3 | St Helens (A) : Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:40 pm  

I think the fairest thing to do is just let the video ref make a full decision on any tries that the ref is not sure about. This was the concept before and I can't recall too many problems with it.
The double movement try should not have been given against Saints and maybe if the video ref had to make the decision the result would be different.
With all the camera angles, slow motion etc just leave it to them.
I am also fed up of Cummings agreeing with every decision that is made by the refs, it gets annoying and im not really sure the point of him being on.