Re: Furner out : Tue May 07, 2019 10:04 pm  

Richard Agar? Gentlemen, if you thought your plight couldn't get any worse, it just has.

Re: Furner out : Tue May 07, 2019 10:14 pm  

ploinerrhino wrote:

It is the first time we have had Marquee players , Hall and Watkins have never been on more than 150K . I would think Merrin and Hurrel are on 250K plus , of which only 150K for each player is counted in the salary cap .

Your wrong. Look back on the YEP. And your miles off Halls wage there. Hall and Watkins only £100k counted on cap.

[Frosties.]

Re: Furner out : Tue May 07, 2019 10:22 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

Your wrong. Look back on the YEP. And your miles off Halls wage there. Hall and Watkins only £100k counted on cap.

You’re not wrong here. Plus, Watkins partly funded on a central contract so less on the cap, plus England international which is more off the cap.

Re: Furner out : Tue May 07, 2019 11:45 pm  

I'm very surprised, but I guess something had to give. Phil Gould a while ago said that it just sometimes reaches a point when players stop playing and its them or the coach. Its happened quickly this time, but you wonder if the same thing was happening under BM as well.

Now the onus is well and truly on the players. We've been terrible for almost two full years, and 3 out of the last 4, with a chunk of the squad here over the whole period.

That means only one of two things - either the players that are playing badly are genuinely not good enough, or they simply haven't been putting in the effort. Regardless of which is the answer to that one any players in either camp need to be got rid of over time - we don't want sub-par players and we definitely do not want players who only play when they want to.

How the team plays in the near future will tell us a lot about which camp some of our apparent duffers are in.

Re: Furner out : Wed May 08, 2019 4:24 am  

Frosties. wrote:

You’re not wrong here. Plus, Watkins partly funded on a central contract so less on the cap, plus England international which is more off the cap.

I think it was the 2016 season where Hetherington made the statement. Pointing out Marquee could be overseas or club developed that you needed to nominate. We had gone the club trained due to less counting on the cap, and he named who we had registered. He said we had Watkins and then we were switching to Hall, or other way around. You had to nominate each season.

Re: Furner out : Wed May 08, 2019 7:22 am  

morrisseyisawire wrote:

Richard Agar? Gentlemen, if you thought your plight couldn't get any worse, it just has.

Possibly the only man with more compromising photos than James Lowes.

Re: Furner out : Wed May 08, 2019 8:48 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

I'm very surprised, but I guess something had to give. Phil Gould a while ago said that it just sometimes reaches a point when players stop playing and its them or the coach. Its happened quickly this time, but you wonder if the same thing was happening under BM as well.

Now the onus is well and truly on the players. We've been terrible for almost two full years, and 3 out of the last 4, with a chunk of the squad here over the whole period.

That means only one of two things - either the players that are playing badly are genuinely not good enough, or they simply haven't been putting in the effort. Regardless of which is the answer to that one any players in either camp need to be got rid of over time - we don't want sub-par players and we definitely do not want players who only play when they want to.

How the team plays in the near future will tell us a lot about which camp some of our apparent duffers are in.

I would opt for the players are not good enough option. All the quality that filled the gaps in and made the mediocre players look better has gone. I don't think they have a good performance in them and our league position is absolutely accurate. I'm not sure what anyone was expecting from Furner, the team was poop when he joined us, we lost McGuire and Hall and surprise - it's still poop. If the players didn't "Like" him well f*** them, they hardly have any credit to trade with after last season and their abject uselessness this season.
A total mess wrapped in a shambles and delivered in a box of catastrophe.

Re: Furner out : Wed May 08, 2019 8:55 am  

DHM wrote:

I would opt for the players are not good enough option. All the quality that filled the gaps in and made the mediocre players look better has gone. I don't think they have a good performance in them and our league position is absolutely accurate. I'm not sure what anyone was expecting from Furner, the team was poop when he joined us, we lost McGuire and Hall and surprise - it's still poop. If the players didn't "Like" him well f*** them, they hardly have any credit to trade with after last season and their abject uselessness this season.
A total mess wrapped in a shambles and delivered in a box of catastrophe.

But aren't we constantly told the good coaches in SL get average payers playing above their capability, Chester, Watson and Powell all are praised for making a team better than the sum of their parts, by that line of thinking if Furner was a good coach we would have seen some improvement from last year, especially as we have added a bit of quality from the NRL.

Re: Furner out : Wed May 08, 2019 9:02 am  

christopher wrote:

But aren't we constantly told the good coaches in SL get average payers playing above their capability, Chester, Watson and Powell all are praised for making a team better than the sum of their parts, by that line of thinking if Furner was a good coach we would have seen some improvement from last year, especially as we have added a bit of quality from the NRL.

I believe that because you see your teams players every week they become bigger "names" than the mystery players from other teams. Because of that there is an expectation that "on paper" we look a better team than some others when in reality we're worse. There is the possibility that Furner was getting the best he or anyone else possibly could out of that squad. Furner might be a good coach with the wrong set of players.

Re: Furner out : Wed May 08, 2019 9:48 am  

Well if there is no appointment in the next two or three games let's see if Agar gets a new coach bounce out of the players. After all that's being said about Furner wanting a number of them out. I would think if they have any pride they should be busting a gut to get on the field to prove him wrong