Re: Kevin Sinfield : Thu May 30, 2019 11:03 am  

jools wrote:

Very interesting- what this tells you is GH took the opinion of a man with little experience who’s been elevated immediately into a top job over someone with years of experience in coaching.
Ironically Sinfield is the wrong man in the wrong job.

GH is no fool doubt he blundly just took Sinfields side if things clearly GH was not happy with the start under furner either and was coming to a similar conclusion. If he was in the same line if thinking as Furner then Sinfield would have gone. Its obvious that Furner wanted to keep blaming the tools he had and was not prepared to or capable of getting the best out off what he had. A blunt axe will still chop down a tree with enough effort.

Re: Kevin Sinfield : Thu May 30, 2019 11:07 am  

jools wrote:

Very interesting- what this tells you is GH took the opinion of a man with little experience who’s been elevated immediately into a top job over someone with years of experience in coaching.
Ironically Sinfield is the wrong man in the wrong job.

How do you get to that from Sinfield offering his resignation?

Hetherington has a 20 year working relationship with Sinfield so knows the kind of man he is, seeing a working relationship break down so fundamentally that one of them had to go, he opted to keep the guy he trusts the most. That's common sense.

The only opinion Hetherington took was his own.

Re: Kevin Sinfield : Thu May 30, 2019 11:22 am  

jools wrote:

Very interesting- what this tells you is GH took the opinion of a man with little experience who’s been elevated immediately into a top job over someone with years of experience in coaching.
Ironically Sinfield is the wrong man in the wrong job.

I think the key thing is that Sinfield is being groomed to have this and more of GH’s role for many many years to come. IF (and it’s an IF) he turns it around he could be here for another 20 years. Furner was 3 years and most likely returning to Australia afterwards. Think that was a key problem really, the rebuilding of the squad to a competitive one was at best case scenario going to take 3-4 years.....which is exactly when Furner would’ve been leaving. What good is that to a guy who will have had in his hopes to impress those Down Under into offering him a head coaches gig in a few years time?

Re: Kevin Sinfield : Thu May 30, 2019 12:16 pm  

Big Jim Slade wrote:

How do you get to that from Sinfield offering his resignation?

Hetherington has a 20 year working relationship with Sinfield so knows the kind of man he is, seeing a working relationship break down so fundamentally that one of them had to go, he opted to keep the guy he trusts the most. That's common sense.

The only opinion Hetherington took was his own.

So your saying he opted to keep the guy who picked the wrong guy?
You don’t think this 20 year relationship he has is clouding his judgement?
Sinfield has done the wrong thing staying at Leeds. He should have gone out and learnt new stuff from elsewhere- as clearly carrying on with the old stuff isn’t working for this particular set of players. But he has no experience of anything else. JP and maguire got it right,
“Legends” staying at the club and taking on big responsibilities early on doesn’t seem to work Sinfield, Cunningham, Long.....

Re: Kevin Sinfield : Thu May 30, 2019 12:22 pm  

rollin thunder wrote:

GH is no fool doubt he blundly just took Sinfields side if things clearly GH was not happy with the start under furner either and was coming to a similar conclusion. If he was in the same line if thinking as Furner then Sinfield would have gone. Its obvious that Furner wanted to keep blaming the tools he had and was not prepared to or capable of getting the best out off what he had. A blunt axe will still chop down a tree with enough effort.

Depends how blunt the axe is

Re: Kevin Sinfield : Thu May 30, 2019 12:33 pm  

jools wrote:

So your saying he opted to keep the guy who picked the wrong guy?
You don’t think this 20 year relationship he has is clouding his judgement?
Sinfield has done the wrong thing staying at Leeds. He should have gone out and learnt new stuff from elsewhere- as clearly carrying on with the old stuff isn’t working for this particular set of players. But he has no experience of anything else. JP and maguire got it right,
“Legends” staying at the club and taking on big responsibilities early on doesn’t seem to work Sinfield, Cunningham, Long.....

Like in many walks of life if a Director hires the wrong employee and goes to his boss and say think we made a mistake hiring this guy, its the employee not the director that will go.

Are you suggesting GH should have got rid if Sinfield and kept the ‘wrong guy’ instead?

It’s clear many people including a lot of Leeds fans are willing for Sinfield to fail, it’s a very British trait we like to see successful people fail for some reason.

Sinfield was employed to implement a long term strategy to turn the club around he has insisted there is no quick fix and it will take time if he and GH thought Furner wasn’t the right coach to implement their plan than it’s best to sort that out rather than let it carry on

Re: Kevin Sinfield : Thu May 30, 2019 2:45 pm  

christopher wrote:

It’s clear many people including a lot of Leeds fans are willing for Sinfield to fail, it’s a very British trait we like to see successful people fail for some reason.

No Leeds fans are willing for him to fail, some are just rightly judging him based on what he’s done in this role so far, not what he did on the pitch.