Re: Brian McDermott : Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:50 pm  

One of the ways to retain players would be to offer positions within the game once they have finished playing.
The sports lost endless players to union who go on to coach . That's one reason why ru improved on the field. While ever we insist on promoting australian 2nd team coaches to super l and international positions we will see players at the end of careers disappearing to union or seeking employment outside the game.

Re: Brian McDermott : Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:42 pm  

Think hes got a nerve, honestly, in asking this.

I do though agree with s lot of people that we need to increase the existing cap.

We will never compete with the NRL on this, so theres no point in my eyes, trying to. Wasnt there something in the news though a while back that NRL clubs were collectively in debt for several million dollars. You could ask the question, is the NRL cap set too high?

I can't remember what the current cap is, but the last time I checked ours was either 1.8 or 1.9 million. Maybe this needs increasing to something like. 2.2, with a steady annual increase.

If we are though wanting to retain our own, them, maybe we also need to look at reducing the overseas quota, gradually too.

Re: Brian McDermott : Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:28 am  

I'd get rid of the cap. It's there to level things out but the same teams win the trophies time after time so it's not really doing what it was brought into do.

Add to that clubs still going bust/having financial difficulties with the cap in place and you wonder what the point it. Clubs will be financially mismanaged with or without a cap.

Re: Brian McDermott : Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:06 am  

carnegiedweller wrote:

I'd get rid of the cap. It's there to level things out but the same teams win the trophies time after time so it's not really doing what it was brought into do.

Add to that clubs still going bust/having financial difficulties with the cap in place and you wonder what the point it. Clubs will be financially mismanaged with or without a cap.

It was fetched in to help control the club's from trying to keep up with the rich elite at the top of the league and stop them from going bust but ironically it was Leeds the richest club in league that chose to break them rules for fear of being relegated add that to the 2006 season and Wigan attempt to stay afloat it seems to be the ones with the most money wanting to spend more

Re: Brian McDermott : Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:11 am  

Eastern Wildcat wrote:

Think hes got a nerve, honestly, in asking this.

I do though agree with s lot of people that we need to increase the existing cap.

We will never compete with the NRL on this, so theres no point in my eyes, trying to. Wasnt there something in the news though a while back that NRL clubs were collectively in debt for several million dollars. You could ask the question, is the NRL cap set too high?

I can't remember what the current cap is, but the last time I checked ours was either 1.8 or 1.9 million. Maybe this needs increasing to something like. 2.2, with a steady annual increase.

If we are though wanting to retain our own, them, maybe we also need to look at reducing the overseas quota, gradually too.

Although the cap should have increased year on year from the outset, we still come back to just how many clubs are spending up to the current cap and using the 2 marque signings.
There are probably 3, maybe 4 clubs that are hitting the pay ceiling, plus, Toronto.
The bottom line is that, in relation to RU and NRL, Super League just hasn't got the income to compete for the best players and even if we had, there aren't too many top Aussie players that would forego their chance of playing Origin, just to come over here.

The game needs to find ways of generating extra income before it can make any serious change to the cap and the next TV deal will be very interesting and if there is any reduction in the deal, could have profound effects on the game and further damage our chances in competing with Union and the NRL.

Re: Brian McDermott : Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:21 pm  

snowie wrote:

It was fetched in to help control the club's from trying to keep up with the rich elite at the top of the league and stop them from going bust but ironically it was Leeds the richest club in league that chose to break them rules for fear of being relegated add that to the 2006 season and Wigan attempt to stay afloat it seems to be the ones with the most money wanting to spend more

Sort of my point though, it's not stopping clubs from going bust. Seem to remember an interview with MC talking about deliberately not spending to cap as the money isnt there- shows he could have the club spending beyond its means even with a cap in place.

And as far Leeds going over it, chronic mismanagement because how that squad was being paid anywhere near the cap is beyond my comprehension having watched it week in week out...

Re: Brian McDermott : Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:38 pm  

carnegiedweller wrote:

Sort of my point though, it's not stopping clubs from going bust. Seem to remember an interview with MC talking about deliberately not spending to cap as the money isnt there- shows he could have the club spending beyond its means even with a cap in place.

And as far Leeds going over it, chronic mismanagement because how that squad was being paid anywhere near the cap is beyond my comprehension having watched it week in week out...

If you remember back to the pre Super League days, when Wigan won everything, with Widnes grabbing silverware when they failed, it wasn't just Wigan that were in strife, the whole professional game almost imploded.
The fact that some clubs have still gone pop, although most have returned, doesn't mean that the situation would be better without the cap.
I think you need to look a little deeper and to some of the threats from HMRC who have become vexed about pro sports clubs going bust and therefore not paying their tax bills.

What do you think would happen without the cap, with certain clubs left to their own devices and would it really help us compete with Union or the NRL ??

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Re: Brian McDermott : Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:39 pm  

The playing field is more even than it used to be.
We are an exception but before the cap Wigan could trounce a team in the top 5 by 50 points.
We now have a situation where lower teams can beat top teams, just not in the finals yet.
For me the cap works but it should be deployed differently to help manage teams but also let top clubs buy/keep top players.

It doesn't bother me at all if Warrington can sign a top player that we can't afford. I wouldn't want them to be able to sign 13 of them though.

Increase Cap. Keep and maybe increase marquee. Allowance for home grown players.

Re: Brian McDermott : Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:40 pm  

Wasn't the original cap something to do with you can only spend a certain % of your income up to a limit of 1.8 million?

Widnes absolutely imploded trying to keep up their success in the 80's then Wigan went bust after they dominated the 90's. I seem to think the cap was brought in because of the state Wigan got themselves into.

Re: Brian McDermott : Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:28 pm  

Tell BM where to get off, he knew the rules regarding salary cap, he should have cut his teams cloth accordingly.