Re: CC Quarter Final v Wigan : Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:41 am  

Every team will have players missing this season. We can’t use that as an excuse like previous years. “Wait until we get all our players out at the same time”, etc, etc, etc.
What’s blatantly obvious is that we rely on individuals. Other teams have systems.
That’s the No.1 thing that needs addressing.

Re: CC Quarter Final v Wigan : Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:43 am  

hull2524 wrote:

Think starting with a very small pack was a mistake. We had to hold wigan early doors. Should have started with the big guns.

Cost us the game. By the time the cavalry arrived, the game had gone.

Re: CC Quarter Final v Wigan : Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:24 am  

Smiggs wrote:

The decision to start with Fash and Matongo was shocking in my mind. A sackable offense.

Exactly, must have stated with the smallest packs we have had in 5 years, you cant start against an aggressive pack like Wigans with Masi, Fash, Cator and Lane.

Add to this awful individual errors from Wynne and Fonua, we had no chance of winning, once we brought on the subs, we started to improve but the game was over by then and despite having loads of territory for 10 minutes, we never looked like scoring.

Re: CC Quarter Final v Wigan : Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:50 pm  

And as the CC reaches semi final stage, a special congratulations to Salford who probably caused the biggest upset, good coach that Watson.

Re: CC Quarter Final v Wigan : Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:41 pm  

Smiggs wrote:

The decision to start with Fash and Matongo was shocking in my mind. A sackable offense.

Naive to say the least when you also have two small forwards like Cator and Lane in the starting pack.
We must be the only team in S/L that starts with Backs bigger and heavier than the forwards.
I just cant believe the thought process behind that decision.
I said previously Wigan will be too fast for us and it was evident for all to see.
We have to find some players with pace for next season

Re: CC Quarter Final v Wigan : Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:10 pm  

This is it, like I said Satae and Sao played big minutes and a big part of their positive attributes where they both played big minutes.

You've got to ask why we've turned Satae into a ten minute stint prop when he can play much longer. Head scratching time

Re: CC Quarter Final v Wigan : Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:10 am  

Dave K. wrote:

Exactly, must have stated with the smallest packs we have had in 5 years, you cant start against an aggressive pack like Wigans with Masi, Fash, Cator and Lane.

Add to this awful individual errors from Wynne and Fonua, we had no chance of winning, once we brought on the subs, we started to improve but the game was over by then and despite having loads of territory for 10 minutes, we never looked like scoring.

Feel for Wynne but always said Fonua was a mistake, probably on big money as well

Re: CC Quarter Final v Wigan : Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:38 am  

Having thought about this weeks game, I think ultimately, a change in the coaching and ethos of the club needs to be the primary solution.

People have mentioned above that we had players missing from the pack so hard for the halves to play behind a beaten pack. They seem to forget that Wigan only had 2 props themselves in the side as they had 4/5 out injured - so there is no way Havard and Partington should out muscle collectively Fash, Masi, Satae, Sao, Brown when we had chance to rotate the props. We should have started with Satae and Sao - nullify their props in the first 20 minutes, keep running at them, get them making tackle after tackle, as when they go off, you have makeshift props who wouldn't match up physically.

It was also mentioned above that without Shaul, Kelly and Ratu we had nobody that could do something out of nothing! Well that there is the main problem! We have no structure with the ball, so that we don't have to rely on X factor plays, because you can't have them every week. Whether this comes from the halves that we have - Connor and Sneyd don't want to run with the ball, so we cannot commit defenders - or whether that is how we are told to play, I don't know. When Saints have players missing, they bring in players who just slot straight in to their way of playing, and you don't really notice a difference. With us, we just admit that we don't have Kelly, Ratu, so we don't expect to score.

We have come from a side in 2016 who didn't look like they could ever get beat, to a side in 2020 who struggle to even score, let alone be able to defend our line. I know Wigan play close to the edge, but they are damn good to watch. Creativity, aggression, speed - how I would like us to play.

Re: CC Quarter Final v Wigan : Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:57 am  

Wilde 3 wrote:

Having thought about this weeks game, I think ultimately, a change in the coaching and ethos of the club needs to be the primary solution.

People have mentioned above that we had players missing from the pack so hard for the halves to play behind a beaten pack. They seem to forget that Wigan only had 2 props themselves in the side as they had 4/5 out injured - so there is no way Havard and Partington should out muscle collectively Fash, Masi, Satae, Sao, Brown when we had chance to rotate the props. We should have started with Satae and Sao - nullify their props in the first 20 minutes, keep running at them, get them making tackle after tackle, as when they go off, you have makeshift props who wouldn't match up physically.

It was also mentioned above that without Shaul, Kelly and Ratu we had nobody that could do something out of nothing! Well that there is the main problem! We have no structure with the ball, so that we don't have to rely on X factor plays, because you can't have them every week. Whether this comes from the halves that we have - Connor and Sneyd don't want to run with the ball, so we cannot commit defenders - or whether that is how we are told to play, I don't know. When Saints have players missing, they bring in players who just slot straight in to their way of playing, and you don't really notice a difference. With us, we just admit that we don't have Kelly, Ratu, so we don't expect to score.

We have come from a side in 2016 who didn't look like they could ever get beat, to a side in 2020 who struggle to even score, let alone be able to defend our line. I know Wigan play close to the edge, but they are damn good to watch. Creativity, aggression, speed - how I would like us to play.

For the reasons above I'd love us to get Wane, he built this legacy.

Re: CC Quarter Final v Wigan : Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:11 am  

Sadly I fully agree.

Don't forget we are losing Kelly & Ratu, many on here thought we should leave them out for the rest of this season !!

Shaul has more critics than fans on here too, sick of hearing the 'Wynne offers much more' rant on here. As it stands Jamie is the only player with pace on the books for next season, Carlos will probably be the next best. Mot counting Swift as frankly he isn't SL standard as a firstr choice.