Re: Academy Prospects : Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:28 pm  

Dave K. wrote:

Slight disappointment, I'm sure we want to keep him but cant match his offer, I'd rather keep our other 3 props who will have all had increased offers.

Really need Bowden to step up and stay fit, along with Taylor

why are we offering three other props pay rises, what justifies this in the current financial situation, if higher earning players are demanding pay rises we should call their bluff and let them go, we don't want mercenaries at our club who ignore the bigger picture.
If we lose Fash on that basis and then sign someone else to replace him that would stink. Who are we going to get for same money that does what fash does?
This just smacks of what happened with Chris Green, could have been a decent loose forward or bulked up a bit more and still have some of his pace, was misused by Radford most of the time but still did a decent job for the pay rate, and then when we got rid we had the usual 'we need another prop' comment.
It certainly tells youngsters that we are still a club that would rather sign externally and offload our home grown talent, how many do we have in our run on 13 when everyone is fit, Ans ONE, and that's Houghton. Sure other home grown players are on the bench every week and in the run on 13 but it sends out the wrong signal to younger players IMO if we're giving the bigger earners more but letting our youngsters go (again).

Re: Academy Prospects : Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:49 pm  

BumpyMcbump wrote:

why are we offering three other props pay rises, what justifies this in the current financial situation, if higher earning players are demanding pay rises we should call their bluff and let them go, we don't want mercenaries at our club who ignore the bigger picture.
If we lose Fash on that basis and then sign someone else to replace him that would stink. Who are we going to get for same money that does what fash does?
This just smacks of what happened with Chris Green, could have been a decent loose forward or bulked up a bit more and still have some of his pace, was misused by Radford most of the time but still did a decent job for the pay rate, and then when we got rid we had the usual 'we need another prop' comment.
It certainly tells youngsters that we are still a club that would rather sign externally and offload our home grown talent, how many do we have in our run on 13 when everyone is fit, Ans ONE, and that's Houghton. Sure other home grown players are on the bench every week and in the run on 13 but it sends out the wrong signal to younger players IMO if we're giving the bigger earners more but letting our youngsters go (again).

If you dont think Satae deserves a payrise then you havrnt watched him this season,if we dont then we would lose him to another superleague club, that's how it works. The same with Sao and Brown, these would have been a greater loss than Fash and harder to replace.

Releasing Green has been justified, inconsistent and always injured.

[Chris71]

Re: Academy Prospects : Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:52 pm  

Dave K. wrote:

If you dont think Satae deserves a payrise then you havrnt watched him this season,if we dont then we would lose him to another superleague club, that's how it works. The same with Sao and Brown, these would have been a greater loss than Fash and harder to replace.

Releasing Green has been justified, inconsistent and always injured.

Agree there to be honest Dave. Satae especially has earned an improved deal along with Sao, both of whom have really stood up to the plate in the absence of both Taylor and Bowden. Brown is a very promising young player who will be garnering interest from other clubs and with the lack of genuine quality in the prop dept around the game then it comes down to a bit of a bidding war if we do not make fair an decent offers.

Obviously is another club comes along and offers a player more than we are prepared or able to offer due to A) WHat the club feel they are worth B) Pay structure in terms of cap C) Other areas in the squad that need addressing etc then theres not much the club can do as seem with Coote's move.

As for Green I don't think there is an argument to be had, the decision to let him go was correct, as has been proved as he's hardly ripped it up at Wakefield has he?

Re: Academy Prospects : Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:46 pm  

BumpyMcbump wrote:

why are we offering three other props pay rises, what justifies this in the current financial situation, if higher earning players are demanding pay rises we should call their bluff and let them go, we don't want mercenaries at our club who ignore the bigger picture.
If we lose Fash on that basis and then sign someone else to replace him that would stink. Who are we going to get for same money that does what fash does?
This just smacks of what happened with Chris Green, could have been a decent loose forward or bulked up a bit more and still have some of his pace, was misused by Radford most of the time but still did a decent job for the pay rate, and then when we got rid we had the usual 'we need another prop' comment.
It certainly tells youngsters that we are still a club that would rather sign externally and offload our home grown talent, how many do we have in our run on 13 when everyone is fit, Ans ONE, and that's Houghton. Sure other home grown players are on the bench every week and in the run on 13 but it sends out the wrong signal to younger players IMO if we're giving the bigger earners more but letting our youngsters go (again).

We just forgetting Taylor, Houghton, Lane, Cator, Brown, Scott have played most weeks.

McNamara and Wynne have been used when needed.

Bowden has played every week he's been fit. Not bad for a team that doesn't play local lads.

Re: Academy Prospects : Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:52 pm  

Chris71 wrote:

Agree there to be honest Dave. Satae especially has earned an improved deal along with Sao, both of whom have really stood up to the plate in the absence of both Taylor and Bowden. Brown is a very promising young player who will be garnering interest from other clubs and with the lack of genuine quality in the prop dept around the game then it comes down to a bit of a bidding war if we do not make fair an decent offers.

Obviously is another club comes along and offers a player more than we are prepared or able to offer due to A) WHat the club feel they are worth B) Pay structure in terms of cap C) Other areas in the squad that need addressing etc then theres not much the club can do as seem with Coote's move.

As for Green I don't think there is an argument to be had, the decision to let him go was correct, as has been proved as he's hardly ripped it up at Wakefield has he?

Dont know what happened to Chris Green because if you look at his performances during 2016 and 2017 especially the Wembley matches both him and Bowden were very impressive.Its not often when you rotate your first choice front rows you dont see any reduction in go forward.
Yes he was injured but not long term like Bowden and Taylor.
We have seen how Bowden has struggled for form since his serious injury and i have to say i am concerned that we may have seen the best of Taylor.
Taylor played only 11 matches in 2020 season and looks like missing a minimum of four months this season and like Bowden think he will struggle to get back to any form.

Re: Academy Prospects : Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:54 pm  

mwindass wrote:

We just forgetting Taylor, Houghton, Lane, Cator, Brown, Scott have played most weeks.

McNamara and Wynne have been used when needed.

Bowden has played every week he's been fit. Not bad for a team that doesn't play local lads.

Taylor?
hasnt played for 3 months

Re: Academy Prospects : Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:55 pm  

bonaire wrote:

Yes he was injured but not long term like Bowden and Taylor.

So a ruptured Achilles doesn't count.

Re: Academy Prospects : Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:59 pm  

bonaire wrote:

Taylor?
hasnt played for 3 months

Point still stands. Local players playing for local team.

Re: Academy Prospects : Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:14 pm  

Ellam wrote: Fash definately signed for Huddersfield Definitely not #intheknow https://www.hullfc.com/blog/2021/07/28/fash-signs-two-year-contract-extension/

Ellam wrote: Fash definately signed for Huddersfield Definitely not #intheknow https://www.hullfc.com/blog/2021/07/28/fash-signs-two-year-contract-extension/

Re: Academy Prospects : Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:41 pm  

ComeOnYouUll wrote: Definitely not #intheknow https://www.hullfc.com/blog/2021/07/28/fash-signs-two-year-contract-extension/ Good news. He's been our most improved player over the last 2 years. When he started I didn't think he would be good enough for SL due to his lack of size but I'm pleased he's proved me wrong.

ComeOnYouUll wrote: Definitely not #intheknow https://www.hullfc.com/blog/2021/07/28/fash-signs-two-year-contract-extension/ Good news. He's been our most improved player over the last 2 years. When he started I didn't think he would be good enough for SL due to his lack of size but I'm pleased he's proved me wrong.