Re: John Winder : Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:15 pm  

dany1979 wrote:

The best attacking teams I have seen have always had a strong pack, allowing the backs the space to spread the ball at the right time.

This Wigan team simply has no go forward down the middle, I can’t imagine this to be the responsibility of Winder.

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People keep saying this over and over and over again, and whilst it is self-evidently true, it's far from being the full story, is it? It's a bit too much of a get-out-of-jail-free card for my liking. There's been plenty of occasions when we've had the field position, but lack of grunt from the pack doesn't explain dismal positioning, lack of structure in attack, sloppy passes that go behind attackers, wayward and inappropriate kicks, etc etc.

Re: John Winder : Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:42 pm  

moto748 wrote:

People keep saying this over and over and over again, and whilst it is self-evidently true, it's far from being the full story, is it? It's a bit too much of a get-out-of-jail-free card for my liking. There's been plenty of occasions when we've had the field position, but lack of grunt from the pack doesn't explain dismal positioning, lack of structure in attack, sloppy passes that go behind attackers, wayward and inappropriate kicks, etc etc.

I agree however I don’t agree that is all down to John Winder.

There is enough talent and ability in that team to be doing much better than we are, the problems come from the coach and those responsible for recruitment.

I wonder how much of a say that Winder had on the recruitment of Burgess & Clark? I wonder how much of a say he has on tactics in general?

Re: John Winder : Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:59 pm  

Cherry.Pie wrote:

Is Winder specifically attack coach? I've never seen him being referred to as such, just that under Wane it was reported that he was the one doing a lot of work with the players in attack. That could easily have just been something that was necessary because he was the only assistant coach we had once Deacon left, and would have allowed Wane to put his focus into other areas. Now that we've got a new head coach and 3 assistants roles and responsibilities could be different.

If Wane is going to be in charge of choosing who is part of the coaching team next season I can't imagine Winder going anywhere. He's his biggest fan.

Good point, I wasn’t aware he was the attack coach?

Re: John Winder : Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:34 pm  

If only a creative half back had been available this season....

Re: John Winder : Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:08 am  

muttywhitedog wrote:

If only a creative half back had been available this season....

We would still have ploughed the ball down the middle.

Thats Winders Aussie style of play

Re: John Winder : Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:07 pm  

Well, hardly, if you've watched Melbourne Storm lately...

Re: John Winder : Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:21 pm  

moto748 wrote:

Well, hardly, if you've watched Melbourne Storm lately...

I dont need to watch Melbourne storm.

I've watched the wigan side he has coached the attack for the past 4 years to understand the dull as dishwater style of pow it down the middle he coaches.

Re: John Winder : Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:43 pm  

The expression is dull as ‘ditchwater’ not dishwater

Re: John Winder : Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:05 pm  

mb010 wrote:

The expression is dull as ‘ditchwater’ not dishwater

My expression was dull as "Dishwater". Especially after a load of dirty dishes have been in their.

VERY VERY DULL.

Infarct watch it for long enough and its down right boring.