Re: Spending up to the cap : Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:50 pm  

If it's 3 or 4 times their existing salary I can see a base salary for a first teamer fresh out of the academy being around the 20k mark, so maybe Bryne , Havard, Smithies, Partington are on around 50k to 70k? Not exactly breaking the bank is it?

Re: Spending up to the cap : Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:57 pm  

afootingmiracle21-12 wrote:

Depends on your opinion. Personally i think its clear the issues are a lot deeper routed than lam. i actually feel sorry for Lam. He's been made to coach with his hand behind his back, had signings forced on him, ended up with no pack, no choice over signings, no investment to bring in new blood when we've been decimated by injury, then been held accountable because he hasn't been able to work wonders with it!!

What Edwards said was timely when you apply it to Lam's situation. Wigan don't really want a head coach......they want a lad to take charge of training whilst they make all the decisions, then someone to blame when it all goes pete tong!

whilst i think the majority will agree that we have suffered in the backs all season, losing French, Manfredi, Field etc for good parts if not all of the season, i have to disagree regarding the pack

he has had 4 1st team props sat on the bench virtually all season. that isnt through injury for the most part, but just not picking them. he has flogged the young forwards this season, to the point that they are probably close to burn out. Even if they are out of form, playing 2 or 3 of the recognised starting props will have taken so much pressure off the younger players. How can a pack with an average age of 20-21, compete against the Saints pack with predominantly seasoned professionals (and big ones at that). We played Catalan last week with 3 of the 4 props, and look at the result

Baffling decisions about who has played full back, hooker etc, all point to a coach making decisions cos he doesnt know what to do

so i can say i dont feel sorry for Lam, yes there are certainly far bigger issues than just Lam as coach, but some of the decisions he has made this year are just baffling

Re: Spending up to the cap : Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:01 pm  

post wrote:

If it's 3 or 4 times their existing salary I can see a base salary for a first teamer fresh out of the academy being around the 20k mark, so maybe Bryne , Havard, Smithies, Partington are on around 50k to 70k? Not exactly breaking the bank is it?

No but their salaries will go up year on year.

Shorrocks, KPP will be next.

It’s just too many forwards, all at a similar level getting upgraded / inflated contracts at the same time.

For me we should only really have two young props, two young second towers at the same time. We actually have 3 props and 3 second rowers all first team regulars

Re: Spending up to the cap : Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:10 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I like to think I’m a reasonably sensible poster and try and stay pretty level on criticising the club but I’ll also try and be honest and my honest thoughts at the moment are that things just don’t stack up somewhere. It could well be that we’re too honest and the other two clubs are finding ways around the cap but the squads just don’t compare from an experience, proven quality and international caps standpoint.

Aye. Something stinks rotten and the stench is coming from the skeletons in the boardroom closet.

My personal feeling is that it's number 1 as in the fans forum they pleaded poverty starting that they're £450 grand worse off a season, while also stating that we offered Williams our largest ever contract. You can't have both.

Re: Spending up to the cap : Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:39 pm  

If Byrne, Shorrocks, Smithies and Partington are on £100k each that’s shocking and no wonder our side looks weak on paper. I’m sure that’s not the case.
Havard I can understand because there was interest from plenty of other clubs including the NRL and I’m sure he’s a potential star in the making.

Re: Spending up to the cap : Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:06 pm  

CobraCraig wrote:

If Byrne, Shorrocks, Smithies and Partington are on £100k each that’s shocking and no wonder our side looks weak on paper. I’m sure that’s not the case.
Havard I can understand because there was interest from plenty of other clubs including the NRL and I’m sure he’s a potential star in the making.

It’s easy to jump on this and get angry but honestly I can’t see it being the case, even with Havard. £50k each tops.

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Re: Spending up to the cap : Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:24 pm  

What are the cap rules? First 25 only count on the cap or does everyone count if they've played first team rugby?

Re: Spending up to the cap : Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:45 pm  

Suzy Banyon wrote:

Aye. Something stinks rotten and the stench is coming from the skeletons in the boardroom closet.

My personal feeling is that it's number 1 as in the fans forum they pleaded poverty starting that they're £450 grand worse off a season, while also stating that we offered Williams our largest ever contract. You can't have both.

Why not?

Re: Spending up to the cap : Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:53 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

No but their salaries will go up year on year.

Shorrocks, KPP will be next.

It’s just too many forwards, all at a similar level getting upgraded / inflated contracts at the same time.

For me we should only really have two young props, two young second towers at the same time. We actually have 3 props and 3 second rowers all first team regulars

I agree, we need to start being ruthless like Saints are

Re: Spending up to the cap : Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:46 pm  

afootingmiracle21-12 wrote:

Depends on your opinion. Personally i think its clear the issues are a lot deeper routed than lam. i actually feel sorry for Lam. He's been made to coach with his hand behind his back, had signings forced on him, ended up with no pack, no choice over signings, no investment to bring in new blood when we've been decimated by injury, then been held accountable because he hasn't been able to work wonders with it!!

What Edwards said was timely when you apply it to Lam's situation. Wigan don't really want a head coach......they want a lad to take charge of training whilst they make all the decisions, then someone to blame when it all goes pete tong!

Made to coach with his hands tied behind his back? Really ha ha ha hes not coached anything to anyone. Hes made us gradually worse.

He wanted to sign Sammutt and Lenegan backed him. Then Lam didnt pick him

End of the day, lam is gone and we are a better team already by the fact he isnt here.