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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:21 am 
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With the league structure for 2019 and beyond still up in the air with no agreement in sight, I think we should go with the following as a compromise.

Super League 14 clubs, 27 rounds home + away and magic
Top 4 play off
Bottom 2 form middle 4 comp with with top 2 of Championship

Championship 14 clubs, 27 rounds home + away and bash
Top 2 form middle 4 Comp with bottom 2 of Super League

Middle 4 comp games as follows

13 SL 2 home 1 away
14 SL 1 home 2 away
1 CH 2 home 1 away
2 CH 1 home 2 away

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 Post subject: Re: League structure
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:24 am 
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Should go with the exact same next year as it’s too late now and have the system for 2020 decided on before the end of this year.






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 Post subject: Re: League structure
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:05 pm 
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So who are the extra 4 teams we're adding into the league structure? If they're from League 1, what happens to the other 10 teams there?






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 Post subject: Re: League structure
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:15 pm 
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CM Punk wrote:So who are the extra 4 teams we're adding into the league structure? If they're from League 1, what happens to the other 10 teams there?


L1 becomes an open league. Pay your players or don't.

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 Post subject: Re: League structure
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:37 pm 
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I'd go:

SL - 14 teams (One club relegated, Toronto, Tolouse and London come in). Home and away, 6 team play offs. Bottom club plays the Championship winner over two legs (home and away), winner gets the remaining SL spot. When you come up, you get one years' exemption from relegation to allow teams to plan for long term life in SL rather than just signing aging mercenaries to avoid the drop.

Championship - 12 teams (Bradford and York come in to backfill). Home and away then six extra fixtures based on league standings at that point, odds play evens (so if you're 1st at that point, your six extra fixtures are against whoever is 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 10th and 12th at that point). 4 team play offs (1 v 2, winner in final, loser plays winner of 3 v 4 for the other final spot). Bottom of Champ plays top of League 1 over two legs for final Champ spot. Again, one years' exemption from relegation if you come up.

League 1 - 10 teams (the remaining teams minus Hemel and West Wales), play each other three times. Top 3 play offs (i.e top v 2nd/3rd). I'd send Hemel and West Wales to play in the NCL division 2 where they will be more competitive. I don't think them getting hammered every week helps anyone. Let them re-apply to go into League 1 once they have earned promotion to NCL Premier.






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 Post subject: Re: League structure
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:23 pm 
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RLRealist wrote:L1 becomes an open league. Pay your players or don't.


Wow. What an inspiration for those clubs and players. Why didn't you suggest binning it off completely?

For the sport to really spread you need to encourage the lower leagues to be more professional and give them support rather than your suggestion of devaluing them. And yes, I know, there are no easy answers to this, but yours seems quite condecending.

FWIW I reckon the RFL tends to make it up as they go along. I doubt it will happen but it still wouldn't suprise me if we move to 14 teams in SL starting next season, but only if Toronto and either Toulouse or London were the extra 2. It wouldn't actually surprise me if they went to 13 teams either and would be a typically weird thing for them to choose. 13 or 14 is especially likely if Toronto fail to get promoted or Leeds find themselves relegated.

Basically, forget next year and just play things as they are now (and hope my team avoids relegation). Whatever happens close season is nothing any of us can influence anyway.






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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:34 pm 
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Gallanteer wrote:Wow. What an inspiration for those clubs and players. Why didn't you suggest binning it off completely?

For the sport to really spread you need to encourage the lower leagues to be more professional and give them support rather than your suggestion of devaluing them. And yes, I know, there are no easy answers to this, but yours seems quite condecending.

FWIW I reckon the RFL tends to make it up as they go along. I doubt it will happen but it still wouldn't suprise me if we move to 14 teams in SL starting next season, but only if Toronto and either Toulouse or London were the extra 2. It wouldn't actually surprise me if they went to 13 teams either and would be a typically weird thing for them to choose. 13 or 14 is especially likely if Toronto fail to get promoted or Leeds find themselves relegated.

Basically, forget next year and just play things as they are now (and hope my team avoids relegation). Whatever happens close season is nothing any of us can influence anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: League structure
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:28 pm 
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GUBRATS wrote:Odd number cancels Magic weekend


Nope, just means one team gets a week off every round. And yes, its the sort of daft thing the RFL would try and would herald it as 'forward thinking' and 'doing it for player welfare' and any other such nonsensical statements in order to convince nobody that it would be a great decision.






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 Post subject: Re: League structure
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Gallanteer wrote:Nope, just means one team gets a week off every round.


Yes, one club gets Magic Weekend off.

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 Post subject: Re: League structure
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:31 pm 
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Personally, I think it should move towards a conference system of 24 teams. Tell Sky we want money to cover all 24 sides and have a division underneath, which play each other home and away with the carrot of promotion still in place.

6 groups of 4 conferences.

Play own conference home and away (6 games)
Play every other team once (20 games)
Random Magic draw (1 game)

Top team from each conference go through to play offs along with highest placed 2nd teams.

Completely franchised.

Current 12 SL sides
Heritage teams: Leigh, Halifax, Bradford, Whitehaven, Doncaster
Expansion Teams: Toronto, London, Toulouse, York, Coventry, Newcastle, Sheffield

We're going to have to do something drastic and allowing city based clubs the Super League cash is the way to wider interest. All clubs given 3 year grace period from 2018-2021 to grow their business and put in place and then from 2021 bottom two worst performing teams each season play-off against top two community clubs to retain their place as it is now. Each newly promoted team gets one season's grace exemption from relegation.

Salary cap for both leagues to be the same across the board (£2.5m) to avoid the issue of a competitive edge and to allow new teams/potential franchises to start from the bottom a la Toronto and come into the game. Also means, there's an open door so teams like Featherstone can still get into the elite.

Completely random Conference Draw made in October straight after Grand Final, fixtures announced in November. Magic Weekend draw also random and takes place in October. Two separate Magic Weekends in the calendar 6 games one weekend in one venue + 1 from division below, 6 games on another weekend + 1 from division below.

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Best performing v Wildcard 2
Second best v Wildcard 1
Third Best v Sixth Best
Fourth Best v Fifth Best

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Winner Game 1 v Winner Game 4
Winner Game v Winner Game 3

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