Re: The rise of UKIP : Fri May 03, 2013 1:47 pm  

I found this on the BBC website that is quite interesting. A sort of idiots guide to UKIP (so suited me ) On the basis of the point on Europe they seem more like the UK "cherry picking the bits we like" Party than independence. I hope that policy is based on a real understanding of our relationship with Europe and why some of the treaties are in place, rather than some batshit loonytune Littlejohnesque interpretation.

I found this on the BBC website that is quite interesting. A sort of idiots guide to UKIP (so suited me ) On the basis of the point on Europe they seem more like the UK "cherry picking the bits we like" Party than independence. I hope that policy is based on a real understanding of our relationship with Europe and why some of the treaties are in place, rather than some batshit loonytune Littlejohnesque interpretation.

Re: The rise of UKIP : Fri May 03, 2013 1:54 pm  

Chris28 wrote: I found this on the BBC website that is quite interesting. A sort of idiots guide to UKIP (so suited me ) On the basis of the point on Europe they seem more like the UK "cherry picking the bits we like" Party than independence. I hope that policy is based on a real understanding of our relationship with Europe and why some of the treaties are in place, rather than some batshit loonytune Littlejohnesque interpretation. That is part of the problem, the middle ground has been silenced, so we get extremes on eaxh side, the fact is that the majority of the UK are fed up with the way things are, they don't trust politicians of any side, but we're unrepresented. what was the turnout yesterday, 35% if we're lucky?

Chris28 wrote: I found this on the BBC website that is quite interesting. A sort of idiots guide to UKIP (so suited me ) On the basis of the point on Europe they seem more like the UK "cherry picking the bits we like" Party than independence. I hope that policy is based on a real understanding of our relationship with Europe and why some of the treaties are in place, rather than some batshit loonytune Littlejohnesque interpretation. That is part of the problem, the middle ground has been silenced, so we get extremes on eaxh side, the fact is that the majority of the UK are fed up with the way things are, they don't trust politicians of any side, but we're unrepresented. what was the turnout yesterday, 35% if we're lucky?

Re: The rise of UKIP : Fri May 03, 2013 1:55 pm  

Mintball wrote:

I agree there'll be twitchiness and they've created for themselves. But part of that has been because of the lies that their (former) best mates in the media have taken to spreading. I suspect there will be less of a protest vote come 2015.

Being honest can Cameron rely on suspicion or does he have to do something to head UKIP off.
Also let us not forget that the general public have never been so disinterested in voting so it takes less to of a protest to be effective.
I have a horrible feeling that UKIP wont go away in 2015 simply because it will be easy to pick up voters that historically haven't voted due to the 3 major parties 'all being the same'.

Mintball wrote:

There's talk now of him getting to share a debate platform with the leaders of the main parties in the general election: yet his party has not a single MP, while other parties do and won't be expected to have some of the media demanding they be on the telly in such a fashion.

Like I said he has worked wonders.
The guy clearly knows what he is doing.

Re: The rise of UKIP : Fri May 03, 2013 2:09 pm  

Dally wrote:

... - as Farage is essentially a traditional, right-wing Tory could there be a possibility of a major shift to the right by the Tories and them doing a deal to take him in before the general election? If so, Labour is in big trouble...

As UKIP is mostly right wingers anyway and has mostly gained votes at the expense of the tories ... please explain how a shift to the right by tories will put Labour in big trouble.

Re: The rise of UKIP : Fri May 03, 2013 7:05 pm  

Hopefully UKIP will do for the tories what the SDP did for Labour in the 80s. If the tories move to the right, Labour have little to do other than remain in the centre ground.

Cameron and Miliband should be more worried about the 65% of the electorate that chose not to vote, rather than those who voted Kipper.

Re: The rise of UKIP : Fri May 03, 2013 8:25 pm  

Why is this debate even taking place? Typical mid term protest vote, come the election it'll be business as usual.
Doesn't anyone else remember the BNP having a good mid-term some years back, and it being hailed as the start of the rise of the far right? You remember, the mid terms before they swept into power.

Oh, hang on...

I'll take UKIP seriously when Westminster burns to the ground and the left get blamed for it.

Re: The rise of UKIP : Fri May 03, 2013 8:40 pm  

Interesting to note that Labour did not lose one single seat to UKIP, right across the country

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Re: The rise of UKIP : Fri May 03, 2013 9:15 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Interesting to note that Labour did not lose one single seat to UKIP, right across the country

That's because Labour doesn't count that many racists and xenophobes amongst its supporters.

Re: The rise of UKIP : Fri May 03, 2013 9:29 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

As UKIP is mostly right wingers anyway and has mostly gained votes at the expense of the tories ... please explain how a shift to the right by tories will put Labour in big trouble.

You will have noted that Labour's percentage of the vote was down more than even the Tories compared with last time.

Re: The rise of UKIP : Fri May 03, 2013 9:32 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Hopefully UKIP will do for the tories what the SDP did for Labour in the 80s. If the tories move to the right, Labour have little to do other than remain in the centre ground.

Cameron and Miliband should be more worried about the 65% of the electorate that chose not to vote, rather than those who voted Kipper.

Labour WILL NOT win an overall majority in a general election with E Milliband in charge. Not now. Not ever, unless the Tories panic and put someone less user friendly than Cameron in charge.