Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:38 am  

[quote="tigertot"]
Take one look at Corbyn, he looks like a Geography teacher, not a Prime Minister. May looks little better mind, we have no politicians of true conviction on either front bench, all are self serving. Paliament is so hugely failing I wish the Queen would step in and shut it down.

New blood, new ideas, on all sides. A new democracy I guess.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:14 am  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

Take one look at Corbyn, he looks like a Geography teacher, not a Prime Minister

We need those who look the part, like Umunna & Raab. That's what is important.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:17 am  

tigertot wrote:

We need those who look the part, like Umunna & Raab. That's what is important.

Like I said, we need a complete overhaul of parliament, you can keep making this about political bias all you want, it really isn't adding to the value of the conversation.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:37 am  

tigertot wrote:

We need those who look the part, like Umunna & Raab. That's what is important.

I think that you are being sarcastic, although it's hard to tell with the written word.
However, although it shouldn't be the case, the look of someone IS important. Unfortunately, in a media driven world, presentation is everything and looking the part is just a small aspect of this.
If you look at Corbyn 3/4 years ago and compare with now, he is far better presented. mind you, I still dont agree with his politics so, maybe he wasted his time

Back to Brexit, it appears that "the lunatics have taken over the asylum"

There is one thing you can say for Mrs May's leadership, she has certainly helped us to see how Parliament "works" and it was interesting to listen to how cabinet meetings are becoming more about the Tory party than the country.

Lots of very nervous ministers and a government that, despite being ahead in the polls, is fearing a major backlash when there finally is an Election.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:42 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I think that you are being sarcastic, although it's hard to tell with the written word.
However, although it shouldn't be the case, the look of someone IS important. Unfortunately, in a media driven world, presentation is everything and looking the part is just a small aspect of this.
If you look at Corbyn 3/4 years ago and compare with now, he is far better presented. mind you, I still dont agree with his politics so, maybe he wasted his time

The look of someone is only important because the media has obsessed on it for so long, that we've been conditioned to go along with it.

Personally, I couldn't give a toss whether Mr Corbyn wears an anorak, if at the same time he's funding the NHS, sorting homelessness, fixing public services and ending wealth inequality.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:47 am  

bren2k wrote:

The look of someone is only important because the media has obsessed on it for so long, that we've been conditioned to go along with it.

Personally, I couldn't give a toss whether Mr Corbyn wears an anorak, if at the same time he's funding the NHS, sorting homelessness, fixing public services and ending wealth inequality.

So basically borrowing and taxing?

Labour ruined this country a few times, I hope I don't see a Labour PM again in my lifetime.

They all need a kick up the backside and to get on with what people voted for, even if I personally think it was the wrong decision.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:53 am  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

So basically borrowing and taxing?

Labour ruined this country a few times, I hope I don't see a Labour PM again in my lifetime.

They all need a kick up the backside and to get on with what people voted for, even if I personally think it was the wrong decision.

Basically not, no - read the manifesto; this stuff was fully funded, and polls showed that many of the radical policies were supported by the public.

Forget ye not, that the national debt has increased by £1 trillion under this government - so hardly the fiscal discipline that the Tories like to crow about.

As I've said before, your analysis is very simplistic - the HoC reflects the fact that Brexit is far from a straightforward prospect; we could do a very soft Brexit, and still argue that the referendum has been honoured, since it only offered a binary choice, without any actual facts about what Brexit would mean - largely, it now seems, because the people responsible for it hadn't considered any details beyond the made up ones they used in their campaigns.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:11 am  

bren2k wrote:

Basically not, no - read the manifesto; this stuff was fully funded, and polls showed that many of the radical policies were supported by the public.

Forget ye not, that the national debt has increased by £1 trillion under this government - so hardly the fiscal discipline that the Tories like to crow about.

As I've said before, your analysis is very simplistic - the HoC reflects the fact that Brexit is far from a straightforward prospect; we could do a very soft Brexit, and still argue that the referendum has been honoured, since it only offered a binary choice, without any actual facts about what Brexit would mean - largely, it now seems, because the people responsible for it hadn't considered any details beyond the made up ones they used in their campaigns.

You will never change your mind, nor will I, so lets just call a truce and we can both believe what we believe to be true.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:14 pm  

bren2k wrote:

The look of someone is only important because the media has obsessed on it for so long, that we've been conditioned to go along with it.

Personally, I couldn't give a toss whether Mr Corbyn wears an anorak, if at the same time he's funding the NHS, sorting homelessness, fixing public services and ending wealth inequality.

I agree with you to a point.

However, when our Prime Minister is in talks with other world leaders, it's important that they not only know their stuff and fight our corner but, that they also appear statesman like.
Yes, we live in a world of "style over substance" but, nevertheless, if you want to be taken seriously, then image is critical.

Of course, over the long term, everyone finds out what type of person is underneath the façade and we would all rather have the "real McCoy" but, if you dont "fit in", you are putting yourself behind the rest unnecessarily.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:28 pm  

It’s politics, not the loving X Factor.

Darwin must be turning in his grave.