Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Mon May 25, 2020 6:29 pm  

Handy Bozo had some specs in the top pocket of his suit.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Mon May 25, 2020 6:35 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

Hardly the outsider that he likes to style himself as either.

Just going to find out what the court of public opinion thinks - I’m deeply aware that if Cummings isn’t driving policy it could be somebody worse, so rather mixed feelings.

That's my feeling too.

Whatever else Cummings is, he does have talent. In a way, although I'd accept that I'm in the minority but he did face the music from the press and refused to bow to the pressure and apologise.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Mon May 25, 2020 6:46 pm  

Ovavoo wrote:

That's my feeling too.

Whatever else Cummings is, he does have talent. In a way, although I'd accept that I'm in the minority but he did face the music from the press and refused to bow to the pressure and apologise.

They couldn’t find a fridge in time to fit in the garden.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Mon May 25, 2020 7:00 pm  

King Street Cat wrote:

It's his wife's family who are more 'one step from royalty'.

I just find the whole self-styled 'weirdo misfit' thing a complete lie.

So he married well. Another "crime" to you lot on here. For God's sake lose those chips on your shoulders.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Mon May 25, 2020 7:09 pm  

wotsupcas wrote:

So he married well. Another "crime" to you lot on here. For God's sake lose those chips on your shoulders.

I'm just always staggered when I see people cheering him on as their anti-establishment hero. He's as establishment as they come. I bet you're a big fan. I bet you believe he's got the country's best interests at heart.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Mon May 25, 2020 7:29 pm  

wotsupcas wrote:

So what occupations do you deem working class enough. We have left leaning posters on here trying to make out his parents are one step from royalty and that's the best you can come up with? His mother was a teacher and his father worked for Laings... Why are posters twisting the truth (lying), something all the working class heroes on here are fond of accusing others of.... Hypocrites

Well, he’s clearly not working class - and as far as I know he doesn’t pretend to be.

What raises an eyebrow is his self-image as an ‘outsider’. Now, the UK social system is a many layered onion, and outsider may be a relative term. However, privately-educated, Oxford graduate, married someone whose father owns a castle is hardly the most unconventional route to power in this country.

In fairness, it isn’t where you’re from, it is where you’re at. Tony Benn was no less a socialist for inheriting a title (until he renounced it. Sidenote - I just read up on his family history, which wasn’t what I’d imagined at all). So, is he (Cummings) any sort of radical (left or right or some sort of geek third way)? I dunno, but there are signs his search for talent is traditionally narrow - what do you think ‘great University’ is code for? At most, I suspect it is Russell Group, and two of them in particular. I happened to be reading Neuromancer when Cummings put out his call for people like characters in a William Gibson novel. Anybody expecting a Rastafarian pilot, a sex-worker turned mercenary or an amphetamine-using hacker will then have been dismayed on a couple of levels to find the gig had gone to Andrew Sabisky.

Anyway, the key lesson for me is that nobody should ever get noted dissembler, liar and UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson to give them a character reference or alibi. Few things could set your defence back more. Which is kind of reassuring, actually.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Mon May 25, 2020 8:58 pm  

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wotsupcas wrote:

So what occupations do you deem working class enough. We have left leaning posters on here trying to make out his parents are one step from royalty and that's the best you can come up with? His mother was a teacher and his father worked for Laings... Why are posters twisting the truth (lying), something all the working class heroes on here are fond of accusing others of.... Hypocrites

The mob are absolutely obsessed with where someone comes from and how wealthy they and their family are:
- If they're Tory they *must* be linked with wealth, privilege, entitlement and ideally aristocracy. And must therefore be immoral and wicked.
- If they're Labour/left-wing any link to the above must be ignored and/or justified.

These 'working class heroes' on here are absolute hypocrites. I've stated it several times - not a sniff of outrage when Labour MPs break lockdown. No comment on the thousands massing to parks and beaches (outbreak at Weston? - well feck me, never saw that coming last week). Not a single one of them dared respond when asked directly about the ****** member of this forum who boasted repeatedly of breaking the lockdown rules.

Yet a man with a sick wife and autistic young child takes his family into isolation during a pandemic and he may as well have walked into St Thomas's and slashed the ventilators keeping CV19 patients alive.

A glance at the last few pages tell you, all they're good for is unfunny one-liners. I do give Mild Rover his dues - he's certainly one of the more intelligent and reasonable of the mob. The rest should spend their time on Twatter, they'd be right at home. In fact they probably are.

King Street Cat wrote:

I'm just always staggered when I see people cheering him on as their anti-establishment hero. He's as establishment as they come. I bet you're a big fan. I bet you believe he's got the country's best interests at heart.

You're about as wrong as you could be. I've never seen anyone 'cheering him on as their anti-establishment hero'. It doesn't happen, at least not to any significant degree. And as it happens, if you'd paid attention today you'd have heard pretty much every journalist talking of how Cummings isn't that popular in Whitehall for precisely the fact he rejects much of the establishment, doesn't cosy up to it (including many Tory MPs) and doesn't do things 'the proper way'. There are more than enough press articles on his unorthodox and blunt methods - go and google them.

I have no particular feelings for Cummings. He seems very good at what he does. But if you're going to jump on the witch-hunt bandwagon at least get your facts right.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Mon May 25, 2020 9:43 pm  

Just out of interest, Cronus. Have you read Cummings' wife's account of the 'ordeal' in the Spectator? This is the sort of thing that I find sinister. It just adds weight to these sorts of people protecting their own interests, without a care for anyone else.

Kinnock and Jenrick were gotcha'd visiting their folks, presumably with shopping/supplies. You could argue that they drove unnecessarily to do so, but it was just tabloid fodder - "Be outraged about this, readership". There was a bit of muck throwing from each side, an apology, and life carried on. Hell, I bet most of us have been dropping shopping off for family.

With Cummings it's just a mess of lies and dishonesty. If he'd have held his hand up and said, "yep, guilty", I don't think there would be anywhere near the fuss there has been.

Check out the Spectator article. Tell me if it tallies up with Dom's story. What was the purpose of this article, other than to deceive?

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Mon May 25, 2020 10:04 pm  

I suppose that he could have gone the other way down the A1 to test his driving, maybe to Wallsend or somewhere like that but, no, he went to the rather nice Barnard Castle, felt sick, so sat by the river for 15 minutes or so. How very convenient.
If he'd stayed in London, he wouldn't have had to "test his driving".

Btw, does his wife not drive or did we miss something there ??

He's had 4 weeks to come up with that story and his wife is a writer.

If they put his "sketch" on an 80's comedy show, everyone would have thought, "I'm not falling for that, he's having a fecking laugh"

"My son needed the toilet, so we parked up at the side of the road and went for a stroll, only about 15/20 minutes and then we were on our way.", sounds lovely Dom.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Mon May 25, 2020 10:05 pm  

The mob? Seriously?

Cronus, RLFans very own Quentin Letts.


Yes, his wife drives. Which makes his ridiculous lie even more ridiculous.