Re: Scargill was right! : Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:10 am  

Ajw71 wrote:

So hated that Labour have only averaged a mere 3-6 point lead in various opinion polls?

So hated that even the Tory party themselves have them winning a majority of 60 seats.

The same Tory party who couldnt even win a majority on the back of a global financial crisis.

Re: Scargill was right! : Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:10 am  

Big Graeme wrote:

That's right up there with some of the stupid polls Ajay has come up with.

It's simply an opinion. One that I'm prepared to back with a cheeky pound or two at 7/2 from Ladbrooks, which are remarkably good odds, if any of the positive economic predictions for the UK over the next two years are correct. Gideon will then have elbow room for some sweeteners to dangle before the electorate, and as they are already around 50 seats in front of Labour in this Parliament, I don't see Red Ed being able to close that gap, far less reverse it.

Job done for another 5 years.

Re: Scargill was right! : Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:25 am  

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

It's simply an opinion. One that I'm prepared to back with a cheeky pound or two at 7/2 from Ladbrooks, which are remarkably good odds, if any of the positive economic predictions for the UK over the next two years are correct. Gideon will then have elbow room for some sweeteners to dangle before the electorate, and as they are already around 50 seats in front of Labour in this Parliament, I don't see Red Ed being able to close that gap, far less reverse it.

Job done for another 5 years.

If the tories couldn’t get in in 2010, they wont get in after 5 years of austerity, however many sweetners they dangle. If UKIP make any strides at all, that will come from the Tory vote, not taking from Labour. The Lib Dems are also likely to lose huge amounts of votes for letting the Tory policies they let in, in, these will go to Labour not to the Tories.

The Tories are very very worried, that’s why we are seeing this ridiculous nonsense about Europe and Immigration. They are desperate to try and appeal to some of the UKIP nutters and also scare a few in to voting.

Re: Scargill was right! : Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:00 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

If the tories couldn’t get in in 2010, they wont get in after 5 years of austerity, however many sweetners they dangle. If UKIP make any strides at all, that will come from the Tory vote, not taking from Labour. The Lib Dems are also likely to lose huge amounts of votes for letting the Tory policies they let in, in, these will go to Labour not to the Tories.

The Tories are very very worried, that’s why we are seeing this ridiculous nonsense about Europe and Immigration. They are desperate to try and appeal to some of the UKIP nutters and also scare a few in to voting.

Much truth in that - although when push come to shove will the voter really vote for red ED and Balls up?

Re: Scargill was right! : Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:10 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

So hated that even the Tory party themselves have them winning a majority of 60 seats.

The same Tory party who couldnt even win a majority on the back of a global financial crisis.

You seem to just repeat things over and over, so I will do the same.

The Tories are so hated and pathetic that Labour can only muster a mere 3-6 point poll lead.

Re: Scargill was right! : Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:15 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

If UKIP make any strides at all, that will come from the Tory vote, not taking from Labour. The Lib Dems are also likely to lose huge amounts of votes for letting the Tory policies they let in, in, these will go to Labour not to the Tories.

UKIP will probably take votes of all parties. To say they will only take votes from the Tories is simplistic.

SmokeyTA wrote:

The Tories are very very worried, that’s why we are seeing this ridiculous nonsense about Europe and Immigration. They are desperate to try and appeal to some of the UKIP nutters and also scare a few in to voting.

To dismiss peoples genuine concerns about Europe / Immigration as nonsense is a very wrong.

Re: Scargill was right! : Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:42 pm  

It's looking like a worryingly comfortable Tory majority to me. UKIP are doing well in the opinion polls but come the general election most of those people will vote Tory, especially as the Tory party will continue to talk tough on Europe. They've managed to get away with pretending to be anti-Europe for 30 years despite being pro-Europe. They'll do so again. As I have said umpteen times and someone has just said above, Labour's leadership will make them unelectable.

Re: Scargill was right! : Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:37 pm  

Dally wrote:

It's looking like a worryingly comfortable Tory majority to me. UKIP are doing well in the opinion polls but come the general election most of those people will vote Tory, especially as the Tory party will continue to talk tough on Europe. THey've managed to get away with pretending to be ant-Europe for 30 years despite being pro-Europe. They'll do so again. As I have said umpteen times and someone has just said above, Labour's leadership will make them unelectable.

As I said on another thread, Osborne today started the PR machine rolling with his covert attack on Cable and his overt attack on Labour and despite spinning the last five years of depressed world economies so that it appears to be all Gordon Browns fault, he got away with it and had his soundbites all repeated verbatim.

After twelve more months he'll be able to sell horsemeat as prime beef and none of us will notice the difference.

[DaveO]

Re: Scargill was right! : Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:22 am  

Dally wrote:

It's looking like a worryingly comfortable Tory majority to me. UKIP are doing well in the opinion polls but come the general election most of those people will vote Tory, especially as the Tory party will continue to talk tough on Europe. They've managed to get away with pretending to be anti-Europe for 30 years despite being pro-Europe. They'll do so again. As I have said umpteen times and someone has just said above, Labour's leadership will make them unelectable.

What about the Lib Dem vote? I can't believe anyone will fall for whatever they say again and I don't see antone who voted Lib Dem last time but not in 2015 as defecting to the Tories.

Where I live in a marginal seat , two way fight (UKIP is nowhere) the Lib Dems should be toast whereas last time IIRC they affected the result letting the Tory in.

Re: Scargill was right! : Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:08 am  

Ajw71 wrote:

UKIP will probably take votes of all parties. To say they will only take votes from the Tories is simplistic.

They will take hugely from the Tories compared to everyone else. Massively. There are very few who voted for Gordon Brown in 2010 whose concerns about Cameron are now solved by UKIP. There aren’t many who voted for Nick Clegg in 2010 who wont vote for them again because the Lib Dems haven’t gone far enough to the right.

To dismiss peoples genuine concerns about Europe / . Immigration as nonsense is a very wrong.

I don’t dismiss peoples genuine concerns about Europe and Immigration. Lynton Crosbys dog-whistle isn’t however a representation of genuine concerns.