Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 9:24 pm  

Cronus wrote:

And the rest were little angels, were they? As an example you could do with looking at some of the stuff Jess Phillips has come out with, for example - you know, the Jess Phillips who tried to preach about divisive language in Parliament and got slapped down. They're all at it. The young left in particular on our TV screens are vile - Owen Jones and a couple of females who pop up on TV from time to time (I forget their names, one is Asian). Nothing but hatred spews from their mouths.

I get it, they're angry. They just keep losing and simply cannot grasp why everyone doesn't agree with them. Nor can they accept it. If someone disagrees they must be silenced - hence the rise of 'no-platforming'. Reasoned debate is an alien concept.

As a Leaver and Tory voter (at present, I haven't always been) I've had no end of abuse on here and to my face. Racist, xenophobe, nazi, etc, etc yaawwwn. Leavers have had every insult under the sun since 2016, and Tory voters have had it and more. Why do you think the 'quiet Tory' is even a thing?

I'm a big boy, I can handle it and more than give it back. Words really don't bother me. But for the left to complain about divisive language is laughable.

Not a fan of Jess Phillips, she's only interested in Jess Phillips. Nor am I a fan of the young left, or the equally vile young right. Political rent-a-gobs like Owen Jones, Ash Sarkar, Grace Blakeley, Darren Grimes, Tom Harwood, Isabel Oakshotte, et al. They just stir it up for stirring it up's sake. Typical of the social media 'look at me' generation. I'd happily bang all their heads together.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 9:33 pm  

You are a godsend because you want to believe in his honesty. I can’t believe you actually believe he was worried about his security when full lockdown was in place and therefore the streets were empty. I noticed he had a Police escort today which I am sure he could of put in place before he left. I was under the impression his Uncle died in London but by that time he was already heading to Durham.
I suppose you also believe his eye story and why would he return to work after running home fearing his wife had the virus. This case is so full of holes even you should be able to see through it.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 9:38 pm  

Part of me thinks they know they’ve been played for idiots but their pride won’t allow them to admit it.

So they double down on the ridiculousness. A bit like Gove today.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 9:54 pm  

Strinket wrote:

Part of me thinks they know they’ve been played for idiots but their pride won’t allow them to admit it.

So they double down on the ridiculousness. A bit like Gove today.

That's exactly it. It's a pride thing. They're so committed to the cause, they'll morally bankrupt themselves fighting for it. They remind me of those gamblers who put £90 in a fruit machine for a £50 jackpot.

Gove was ridiculous today. I'm pretty sure he was coked up to the eyeballs. Even Nick Ferrari was struggling not to pee his pants.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 10:29 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Sinister? Oh please, get some perspective. Have you seen the footage outside Cummings' home this last week? The screeching mob? The pack of paps? The abuse? The threats? All with a 4 year old in the home? That's what I call sinister, not a magazine article. I have no truck with the article avoiding any mention of Durham. But then I'm sure you find the behaviour of the street mob acceptable - it's Dominic Cummings, after all, eh? He's a Brexiteer, he looks a bit dodgy. It's ok if it's one of the enemy, yes? Have a giggle over it, yes?

You say Kinnock and Jenrick "presumably" visited their parents with shopping supplies. You don't know that. You openly presume that. Their stories proffered that excuse and as it happens I agree it's fair enough to accept them as entirely reasonable. Interestingly though, you accept their stories on blind faith, but not Cummings. I wonder why.

What about Tahir Ali? Neil Ferguson? Catherine Calderwood? Other such as Kyle Walker? What about Wizeb, who has boasted he broke lockdown laws at least a few times for some rancid barmaid. You and the rest remain curiously silent on this despite responding to a post - in fact I've made several posts - calling you all out. Yet a man takes his family into isolation and you're in a rabid hysteria. I wonder why.

Hypocrites. All of you. You, wrencat, pimpernell, willzay, jukesays whoever else - until you condemn all those I've named and everyone else doing as they please including crowds on beaches and in parks, you're nothing more than the worst kind of hypocrites.

Let's play a game. Pretend you're in this situation:
A global pandemic is spreading fast, a new unknown virus.
Your wife becomes ill. Most of your colleagues are ill or absent. Your boss is ill. You're probably infected.
Your child is 4. You begin to think about what would happen if you both and were incapacitated, given the speed with which CV19 can hit.
You're lucky enough to have a family estate with a separate house perfect to isolate in, and with family around to care for your child if necessary.

As it happens I made similar plans back in March for if my wife and I became ill. It would require one of us travelling some distance to my cousin's house to drop my child off with her. Is that unacceptable? Yep, the rules permit exceptions in cases of childcare concerns for precisely reasons such as this - accept it, give over crying, it's pathetic.

If any of you say the better option would be for him to stay in London and potentially end up handing his child over to someone outside the family, you're lying.

However. while the rationale for taking his family to Durham is reasonable - I agree, the trip to Barnard Castle is a stretch of the imagination and he should have held his hands up and apologised. Clearly a trip out. No excuses there. Admit it, say sorry and move on. But unless you're demanding the resignation of everyone caught outdoors at that time, you're a hypocrite. And you aren't, so yes, you're a hypocrite.

Several days on and the media are increasingly furious that their target - who they've always despised - is still defying them. I'm enjoying every moment. Cummings may yet go, but the frustration on the left is wonderful.

You sir are wrong.

Glad that I'm included in your hypocrite list as I would hate to miss out.
Nobody needs to condemn anyone else as this is about THE top Government advisor, driving a bus through his own rules and then having the backing of the PM for his indecisions

Despite many inaccuracies in the press, the core story is absolutely correct.

He didn't need to leave his London home
He certainly didn't need to go for a day out in Barnard Castle on his wife's birthday to check his eyesight
Boris didn't nee to tell the electorate that they were confused
And if we accept blatant lies from Bojo & Dom -where do we actually go from there.

The childcare issue is a cover story and everything has been contrived to fit the various sightings - get over it

As for being a target, I would suggest that, up until now, he's absolutely loved all of the attention so, dont try with your own distraction tactics, they're pitiful.
Johnson is sliding down the polls faster than a fireman on call so, at this point, let Cummings stay on, he's Labour's strongest asset

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 10:42 pm  

I am sorry but I owe Cronus an apology because I couldn’t find his post denigrating the Mail for their false allegation that the leader of the opposition arranged for a photo opportunity during the Thursday night clap for the NHS. I am sure he/she will be able to produce their post condemning the right wing media.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Tue May 26, 2020 11:59 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

I am sorry but I owe Cronus an apology because I couldn’t find his post denigrating the Mail for their false allegation that the leader of the opposition arranged for a photo opportunity during the Thursday night clap for the NHS. I am sure he/she will be able to produce their post condemning the right wing media.

For the umpteenth time - I don't read the Mail, nor have I for probably 20 years, so I have no clue what you're talking about. I follow no right wing media. Almost exclusively I follow the left. Feel free to post the link.

Apology accepted.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Wed May 27, 2020 12:03 am  

Well today has been interesting. Some posters I hoped might offer decent replies failed entirely. Others I knew could only provide the usual guff rose reliably to the occasion.

Mild Rover and King Street, at least you responded somewhat to some of the points made to you. The rest - pathetic. Giddy with the media maelstrom you repeat the hype with apparently zero capability for independent thought, or - even allowing for a dubious trip to Barnard Castle - zero empathy for the human aspect of a scared family with a young child, infected with a largely unknown virus. Wrencat - very disappointed.

And not a single one of you - again - have the cojones to condemn anyone else caught breaking (or boasting of breaking) lockdown, nor the mob harassing a family home. Hypocrites. Cowards.

Where's your vilification of Ian Blackford, for example, who, 3 days after lockdown travelled 600 miles home from London for no other reason than...errrmmm...and apparently went into isolation, but who then posted a pic on the way to an interview only 11 days into his, erm, "isolation". I'm sure you're all outraged!

Quite the backlash going on in case you've missed it. Twatter is growing on me. #mediascum

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Wed May 27, 2020 6:26 am  

Cronus wrote:

Twatter is growing on me.

If it is, maybe delve into the Prof. John Ashton timeline of events which I've posted on the coronavirus and sport thread.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Wed May 27, 2020 7:48 am  

Cronus wrote:

Well today has been interesting. Some posters I hoped might offer decent replies failed entirely. Others I knew could only provide the usual guff rose reliably to the occasion.

Mild Rover and King Street, at least you responded somewhat to some of the points made to you. The rest - pathetic. Giddy with the media maelstrom you repeat the hype with apparently zero capability for independent thought, or - even allowing for a dubious trip to Barnard Castle - zero empathy for the human aspect of a scared family with a young child, infected with a largely unknown virus. Wrencat - very disappointed.

And not a single one of you - again - have the cojones to condemn anyone else caught breaking (or boasting of breaking) lockdown, nor the mob harassing a family home. Hypocrites. Cowards.

Where's your vilification of Ian Blackford, for example, who, 3 days after lockdown travelled 600 miles home from London for no other reason than...errrmmm...and apparently went into isolation, but who then posted a pic on the way to an interview only 11 days into his, erm, "isolation". I'm sure you're all outraged!

Quite the backlash going on in case you've missed it. Twatter is growing on me. #mediascum

Cronus, I genuinely think you are losing sight of Mr Cummings actions and in trying to skirt round it / justify it, you appear to be adopting the very same tactics used by Tory central.
Yes, others have broken the lockdown rules, for all sorts of reasons - we can agree on that.
However, Cummings of all the people in the UK, has been involved in the rules governing lockdown, the advice to stay at home (in London in his case) and front and centre of the government message.
Your #mediascum is just fecking hilarious, although this is being driven by his supporters.
Where were you when the media have mistreated so many others in the past - is this hypocrisy on your part

Lets keep this on topic and stop with the multi distraction stuff, it's laughable.

I notice that you dont sight those in public service that have resigned for lesser breeches of the lockdown rules but, that would be to send "your man" to the gallows. More hypocrisy ??