Re: Voluntary apartheid in the UK? : Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:01 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

There is more to worry about tearing this country apart than a strange article in the Daily Mail worrying about something that has happened for hundreds of years.

First of all I said fracturing and secondly I read about the same issue in the Sunday Times today, as I mentioned in my first post on this thread.

Re: Voluntary apartheid in the UK? : Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:39 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Yes, it is my country. I was born and raised here. That makes it my country. If you were born and raised here, it is your country too.

No, but that is a very childish statement.

No, it makes it the country you were born and raised in and currently live in (presumably). It is no more your country than any other citizen, whether they were born and raised her or simply came and decided to stay.

You are aware that your xenophobia is showing?

Re: Voluntary apartheid in the UK? : Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:49 am  

cod'ead wrote:

No, it makes it the country you were born and raised in and currently live in (presumably). It is no more your country than any other citizen, whether they were born and raised her or simply came and decided to stay.

You are aware that your xenophobia is showing?

In the Godless world of most on here they love the term "evolution." So, why then have races evolved with quite different attributes which are linked to the geographical areas to which they "belong"? Animals are generally territorial and need to understand their territory to survive. Humans are the same and that explains in large part the amount of time they spend at war. So, I think he has a valid point about when he refers to "my country." That's also why so many people are concerned and dismayed about mass immigration - often the number one issue when they speak to their MP - because alot of people do not feel it is "their" country anymore. I think you'll also find the main unspoken reason why white folk have been moving out of cities is to try to turn back the clock and live with folk like them in places that seem still to be "their" own country.

Of course, in the PC world all that would be heresy.

Re: Voluntary apartheid in the UK? : Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:32 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

Except that wasn't the subject of the article, either the one in the link or the one I read in the Sunday Times today. I would imagine both have been written simply because of the census results filtering through, which have shown a trend in certain areas of the country.

Are you not bothered that this trend is occurring in certain areas?

It was an article in a publication that frequently lies, that profits from the sexualisation of underage girls, and that has an editorial policy of shocking its readers on a daily basis.

And you want me to take it seriously when it publishes another sensationalist piece of scaremongering with no context whatsoever? And you think that my stating something directly contradicts (with inconvenient facts) some of what has been spouted here is of no relevance?

And the Sunday Times is a Murdoch paper that is also prepared to publish lies when the truth of a story doesn't match its agenda. And I do have the proof of that, and the previous assertion re the Mail.

The 'trend' is not new and it is not limited to ethnicity/religion. Demographics change over time. This is a fact.

Re: Voluntary apartheid in the UK? : Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:34 am  

Last week the papers said there were going to be 10 million Bulgarian and Romanians coming over to the UK to claim benefits. I would have thought they would be white (even if they are a bit swarthy and dark featured, some of them). So the Daily Mail readers can relax that their country isn't being turned black.

Re: Voluntary apartheid in the UK? : Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:08 am  

Dally wrote:

In the Godless world of most on here they love the term "evolution." So, why then have races evolved with quite different attributes which are linked to the geographical areas to which they "belong"? Animals are generally territorial and need to understand their territory to survive. Humans are the same and that explains in large part the amount of time they spend at war. So, I think he has a valid point about when he refers to "my country." That's also why so many people are concerned and dismayed about mass immigration - often the number one issue when they speak to their MP - because alot of people do not feel it is "their" country anymore. I think you'll also find the main unspoken reason why white folk have been moving out of cities is to try to turn back the clock and live with folk like them in places that seem still to be "their" own country.

Of course, in the PC world all that would be heresy.

It must be awful turmoil inside your head.

Has it not occurred to you that "white folk" (Jews, Huguenots, Dutch, French, Italian etc, etc) have been arriving in Britain into the cheaper areas for centuries and, as they became more affluent, have moved out into more leafy suburbs?
Has it not occurred to you that many non-white "folks" do the same?

I guess not, you probably still think of different colours of people as different species.

Re: Voluntary apartheid in the UK? : Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:42 am  

sally cinnamon wrote:

Last week the papers said there were going to be 10 million Bulgarian and Romanians coming over to the UK to claim benefits. I would have thought they would be white (even if they are a bit swarthy and dark featured, some of them). So the Daily Mail readers can relax that their country isn't being turned black.

And it's down to those eastern Europeans that some Catholic churches in London have even been able to keep their doors open. Which point should confuse a few people.

El Barbudo wrote:

It must be awful turmoil inside your head.

Has it not occurred to you that "white folk" (Jews, Huguenots, Dutch, French, Italian etc, etc) have been arriving in Britain into the cheaper areas for centuries and, as they became more affluent, have moved out into more leafy suburbs?
Has it not occurred to you that many non-white "folks" do the same?

I guess not, you probably still think of different colours of people as different species.

Absolutely. And The whole Whitechapel area of east London is that situation in a nutshell. In the last few years, the demographic has started altering – again – with the arrival of more eastern Europeans. You see it perhaps most obviously in the opening of new shops; Russian and Polish food stores. Mind, I can get matjes herring and proper little pickled cucumbers now.

FWIW, I think that there are real discussion that need to be had about immigration, but as the situation with Mary Beard, and the abuse she has faced, illustrate, that's far from easy.

You may remember, a couple of years ago, I tried to start just such a discussion.IIRC, just two people responded – yourself and Mr Chicken. So I'm a tad cynical about how much some people really want to discuss it in anything other than an hysterical manner.

Re: Voluntary apartheid in the UK? : Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:45 am  

El Barbudo wrote:

It must be awful turmoil inside your head.

Has it not occurred to you that "white folk" (Jews, Huguenots, Dutch, French, Italian etc, etc) have been arriving in Britain into the cheaper areas for centuries and, as they became more affluent, have moved out into more leafy suburbs?
Has it not occurred to you that many non-white "folks" do the same?

I guess not, you probably still think of different colours of people as different species.

That's not the issue under discussion.

If you want to see think what alot of "middle England" think look at the readers' comments under the DM's article!

[DaveO]

Re: Voluntary apartheid in the UK? : Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:10 am  

Dally wrote:

In the Godless world of most on here they love the term "evolution." So, why then have races evolved with quite different attributes which are linked to the geographical areas to which they "belong"? Animals are generally territorial and need to understand their territory to survive. Humans are the same and that explains in large part the amount of time they spend at war.

That is the biggest load of tripe I have read on here in a long time. We know the scientific reasons why people have different skin colour pigments but its got nothing to do with where they "belong". Humans can live where they like and while you might have to slap on the factor 50 if you fancied living in Australia it doesn't mean you "belong" in the UK.

So, I think he has a valid point about when he refers to "my country." That's also why so many people are concerned and dismayed about mass immigration - often the number one issue when they speak to their MP - because alot of people do not feel it is "their" country anymore. I think you'll also find the main unspoken reason why white folk have been moving out of cities is to try to turn back the clock and live with folk like them in places that seem still to be "their" own country.

Of course, in the PC world all that would be heresy.

Given immigration from outside of the EU is tightly controlled there is not mass immigration occurring from countries populated with dark skinned people which is what you seem to fear. I think there is concern over how many Eastern Europeans come here due to us being part of the EU but it's not a concern I share. I quite like it and think it adds something to our society but if when they come they want to all live close to each other why would I care?

After WWII there was a large Polish population and influx of Polish people to the UK and they were generally welcomed with open arms given their contribution to the war effort. They did stick together though and I can even remember my wife talking about going to nights out to the "Polish Club". I suspect you would like to ban such places because that means they have not integrated well enough into the UK but at least they are white eh?

Re: Voluntary apartheid in the UK? : Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:11 am  

Dally wrote:

That's not the issue under discussion...

The topic is "voluntary apartheid", and I'm asserting that it's not necessarily a race issue, more an affluence issue.
Christ, it's like pulling teeth.

Dally wrote:

If you want to see think what alot of "middle England" think look at the readers' comments under the DM's article!

Reader's comments under DM articles?
So self-selected and predictable that no-one needs to read them to know what they say. Hardly representative of anything except the harrumphing DM tendency.