Re: Trumped up? : Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:31 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

Well thats the end of the Asians trade deal they've been working on for years. I can't see the EU getting one any minute soon. Lets hope 'his Maggie' might be able to sweet talk him with a trip to see the Queen as a trade off for a UK deal

Given that the USA is the only major economy we have a trade surplus and balance of payments surplus with and Trump wants to end trade deals that the US loses from then methinks dirty Maggie May had best keep quiet about trade deals.

Re: Trumped up? : Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:49 pm  

Is it true that there has been an an assassination attempt on the new US president ?
I heard somebody pointed a gun at him and his head of security shouted ' Donald . Duck . '

Re: Trumped up? : Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:22 am  

You are quackers.

Re: Trumped up? : Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:58 am  

The wall gets signed off today. Foreign criminals get booted out, Muslims who are a threat wont get in.

He is true to his word. America first.

Re: Trumped up? : Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:32 pm  

Exiled down south wrote:

The wall gets signed off today. Foreign criminals get booted out, Muslims who are a threat wont get in.

He is true to his word. America first.

Are they the Muslims who wear a badge saying "terrorist"
There are more people being murdered in Chicago every year by AMERICANS.
Over 3000 people were shot in Chicago last year.
Shootings and murders are so common in this city that most dont even make the news and Trump wants to ban Muslims.

All countries try to keep known criminals out and unless someone comes of a plane with weapons in their hand luggage, it's nigh on impossible to know who the next murderer is and bearing in mind that they can arm themselves within minutes of entering the States, does he really think this will make a difference.

It's more likely to make it easier to recruit jihadists as they can point to the fact that they are being persecuted.

Re: Trumped up? : Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:25 pm  

Over 3000 people were shot in Chicago last year

Isn't Chicago the great saviour Obamas patch?

Re: Trumped up? : Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:28 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Are they the Muslims who wear a badge saying "terrorist"
There are more people being murdered in Chicago every year by AMERICANS.
Over 3000 people were shot in Chicago last year.
Shootings and murders are so common in this city that most dont even make the news and Trump wants to ban Muslims.

All countries try to keep known criminals out and unless someone comes of a plane with weapons in their hand luggage, it's nigh on impossible to know who the next murderer is and bearing in mind that they can arm themselves within minutes of entering the States, does he really think this will make a difference.

It's more likely to make it easier to recruit jihadists as they can point to the fact that they are being persecuted.

The two matters are separate issues. Trump has already said he hopes to give hop back to the inner city poor and black citizens and stop the murders. As he rightly points out mainstream politicians have simply ignored these people and their situation.
As to more jihadists - if they aren't allowed to travel to the USA it's largely irrelevant to the USA whether there are 2 or 2 million of them.

Re: Trumped up? : Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:46 pm  

Dally wrote:

The two matters are separate issues. Trump has already said he hopes to give hop back to the inner city poor and black citizens and stop the murders. As he rightly points out mainstream politicians have simply ignored these people and their situation.
As to more jihadists - if they aren't allowed to travel to the USA it's largely irrelevant to the USA whether there are 2 or 2 million of them.

Let's hope that he has some success at home.
However, the point about Muslims was valid.
By singling out Muslims, he will do more harm than good.
All over the world, radical preachers will use Trump as a reason to join their fight and instead of eradicating the problem, the stance that he has taken against one particular religion will come back and bite him.
People are not born terrorists, they are converted and Trump should have said that he would stop everyone that was a threat (assuming they could be identified) rather than appearing to blame all Muslims.

Re: Trumped up? : Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:51 am  

Well thats been an interesting first week. Walls, immigration bans for personal from certain countries........... Let's see where it all ends up

Re: Trumped up? : Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:08 pm  

An immigration ban that restricts entry to the US for nationals of 7 countries - none of which have produced a citizen who has carried out a terrorist attack on US soil, from 9/11 onwards. During the same time frame, 94 people have been killed in the US by terrorists, all of which were US Citizens. (facts - not alternative ones.) Also telling that several of the potential countries that could have been included on his list but weren't, are ones in which he has significant business interests. (opinion - possibly fake news.)

Meanwhile, about 12,000 US citizens are killed every year by guns, with a further 20,000 or so injured (facts again,) but Obama was repeatedly stymied in any attempt to control the 300 million guns (not a precise figure) that are in circulation.

He appears to have solved a problem that didn't exist.