Re: Why do the Tories hate the NHS? : Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:40 pm  

I see the Brain Squad are out in force tonight.

Re: Why do the Tories hate the NHS? : Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:36 pm  

You may use more words but I note that you still do not answer how the actions taken by Johnson to deal with the pandemic have reduced the number of excess deaths.
With regards PMQ’s Johnson is so incapable of thinking for himself that he still carried on with his pre prepared brief joke. The problem is that Starmer’s final question related to meeting those families of the NHS staff who had died and all Johnson could do was make a joke.

Re: Why do the Tories hate the NHS? : Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:26 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

At least he allowed Neil to interview him rather than dodging all attempts and finally hiding in a fridge. Why block a guarantee of no interference if as they said that no part of the NHS is for sale. I suppose you realise that drugs from America are more costly than those negotiated by the NHS therefore increasing the costs substantially. The next will be that we can no longer afford the NHS in its current form etc.

If we want the latest pharma especially for cancer treatment they come from the US - these drugs cost billions to develop - so you either deny patients the potentially life-extending drugs or you pay the lowest price you can negotiate. Are you suggesting that we will deliberately buy off patent generic drugs at a higher price from the US - seriously?

Re: Why do the Tories hate the NHS? : Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:30 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

You may use more words but I note that you still do not answer how the actions taken by Johnson to deal with the pandemic have reduced the number of excess deaths.
With regards PMQ’s Johnson is so incapable of thinking for himself that he still carried on with his pre prepared brief joke. The problem is that Starmer’s final question related to meeting those families of the NHS staff who had died and all Johnson could do was make a joke.

I agree he hasn't come out of this pandemic with any credit but it is impossible to calculate the additional deaths if there has been any due to his actions.

Don't forget all patients discharged to care homes were done so on clinical grounds decisions that were made by trained doctors. This might have been due to pressure to protect the capability of the NHS?

Re: Why do the Tories hate the NHS? : Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:56 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

You mean this question, let’s start with the initial delay in going into lockdown to allow the Liverpool game and the racing to go ahead. It is now admitted that this caused many unnecessary deaths, then we have the wheeze of transferring patients without having a test from hospitals to care homes. This was confirmed to have increased the number of unnecessary deaths.
I could go on regarding testing, the track and trace app and face coverings.
I now wait your answer to my question or like IR80 can you not list what comrade Johnson did to reduce the number of unnecessary deaths.

He followed the advice at the time, he didntn't have the luxury of a crystal ball to show him the hindsight that you are pathetically trying to use to judge him. But that is how you roll, it comes from limited intelligence and a gigantic chip on your shoulder.

Re: Why do the Tories hate the NHS? : Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:31 am  

IR80 wrote:

He followed the advice at the time, he didntn't have the luxury of a crystal ball to show him the hindsight that you are pathetically trying to use to judge him. But that is how you roll, it comes from limited intelligence and a gigantic chip on your shoulder.

That chip on his shoulder with limited intelligence is called Tovarisch wilsay

Re: Why do the Tories hate the NHS? : Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:57 am  

IR80 wrote:

a crystal ball to show him the hindsight

Nailed on that you'd be one of the 'hindsight' apologists.

To say you're one of those who claims to 'think for himself', you don't do much of it.

Re: Why do the Tories hate the NHS? : Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:06 am  

King Street Cat wrote: Nailed on that you'd be one of the 'hindsight' apologists. To say you're one of those who claims to 'think for himself', you don't do much of it. and I could have predicted, without a crystal ball, that you'd have nothing of use to say. any thoughts on the wonderful Labour Party, shall i start a thread, 'Why does Labour hate Jews'? Ultimately we can all say, with the benefit of hindsight, what would have been done differently, but that achieves nothing. Trying to score political points in the midst of a global endemic virus is typical of the left wing, nothing to actually contribute, just yelping from the sidelines whilst the ELECTED GOVERNMENT gets on with it, it is as predictable as it is pathetic.

King Street Cat wrote: Nailed on that you'd be one of the 'hindsight' apologists. To say you're one of those who claims to 'think for himself', you don't do much of it. and I could have predicted, without a crystal ball, that you'd have nothing of use to say. any thoughts on the wonderful Labour Party, shall i start a thread, 'Why does Labour hate Jews'? Ultimately we can all say, with the benefit of hindsight, what would have been done differently, but that achieves nothing. Trying to score political points in the midst of a global endemic virus is typical of the left wing, nothing to actually contribute, just yelping from the sidelines whilst the ELECTED GOVERNMENT gets on with it, it is as predictable as it is pathetic.

Re: Why do the Tories hate the NHS? : Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:26 am  

IR80 wrote:

shall i start a thread, 'Why does Labour hate Jews'?

Feel free to do so. You can tell us all about it, as you seem to be the expert around here.

Re: Why do the Tories hate the NHS? : Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:52 am  

King Street Cat wrote:

Feel free to do so. You can tell us all about it, as you seem to be the expert around here.

so, nothing meaningful or useful to say, at least you are consistent.