Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:05 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

The problem with that is the "informed choices" will probably not be as informed as you would like. As McLF pointed out in a previous post, many would choose not to pay tax to fund healthcare because they don't consider themselves in need of it

But people who are that thick should be denied access anyhow.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:12 pm  

Dally wrote:

Most people after having a go become fiscal conservatives.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:38 pm  

Dally wrote:

But people who are that thick should be denied access anyhow.

But if you start to go down the road of pick 'n mix taxation then its not thick people who will deny the I/Rev of revenue, its anyone who's beliefs contradict the general consensus, as pointed out when I introduced the concept last week, a pacifist would opt out of paying for the armed forces, an 18 year old would certainly not contribute to pensions given that they already know they won't be getting one, for every tax contributor there will be an item that they don't feel like contributing to, and thats not how taxation and democracy works.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:54 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote:

and thats not how taxation and democracy works.

Where does the democracy of which you speak exist? Not in this country:

1. We have a coalition government.
2. The coalition government is propped up by the party that came 3rd, not second.
3. So the government does not have a democratic mandate in your terms.
4. The government is pursuing a policy that, it seems, is against the vast majority of the electorate's wishes.
5. When the government has a discussion on the issue it debars opponents and only invites yes people.
6. The government has partly implemented large parts of the policy before, and irrespective of whether, Parliament ratifies proposed legislation.

If that is what you call demorcracy then you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine!

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:11 pm  

Dally wrote:

I think we have a well-established history of relative decline since the US overtook as as the world's richest country at the turn of the 20th Century. Certain emerging economies are likely to leave not just us but the US way behind. As to the ageing population, unless war, disease or famine wipes millions out then that's cast-iron.

So you "think" and it's "likely". Again, no evidence.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:23 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

So you "think" and it's "likely". Again, no evidence.

Yawn. So, any planning in any facet of life is clearly a waste of time in your opinion?

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:57 pm  

Dally wrote:

Yawn. So, any planning in any facet of life is clearly a waste of time in your opinion?

Yawn back

Not at all, but planning based on proper evidence not on what people "think" may happen is probably a more sensible way to proceed. I think I might win the lottery tonight but going out and buying a Ferrari now wouldn't be right.

From your previous post - you think we have "a well established history of relative decline since...the start of the 20th century" - let's have a look at your evidence before we all start panicking.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:20 pm  

Dally wrote:

Where does the democracy of which you speak exist? Not in this country:

1. We have a coalition government.
2. The coalition government is propped up by the party that came 3rd, not second.
3. So the government does not have a democratic mandate in your terms.
4. The government is pursuing a policy that, it seems, is against the vast majority of the electorate's wishes.
5. When the government has a discussion on the issue it debars opponents and only invites yes people.
6. The government has partly implemented large parts of the policy before, and irrespective of whether, Parliament ratifies proposed legislation.

If that is what you call demorcracy then you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine!

Its the version of democracy that we've had for xxx hundred years.

HTH

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:16 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

Yawn back

Not at all, but planning based on proper evidence .

So the future is known!

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:00 pm  

Dally wrote:

So the future is known!

Whatever. You know what was meant