Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:59 am  

Surely what happened in Birstall is terrorism?

A heinous act carried out in the name of some sort of ideology/political agenda, as it appears it was, is surely an act of terror?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:01 am  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

Surely what happened in Birstall is terrorism?

A heinous act carried out in the name of some sort of ideology/political agenda, as it appears it was, is surely an act of terror?

Was he Muslim?

If you answered no...then not a terrorist

Sincerely

All Western Media outlets.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:00 am  

GUBRATS wrote:

Have seen 1st hand the effects of immigration on the NHS though

So have I - 50,000 of them work in it; and another 40odd thousand in the social care sector, looking after your nana when she's lost her faculties.

And for what it's worth - the parlous state of the NHS is not due to immigration; it's caused by years of ideological austerity imposed by the Tories. And fat people.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:14 am  

bren2k wrote:

So have I - 50,000 of them work in it; and another 40odd thousand in the social care sector, looking after your nana when she's lost her faculties.

And for what it's worth - the parlous state of the NHS is not due to immigration; it's caused by years of ideological austerity imposed by the Tories. And fat people.

Exactly.

The argument that immigrants are crippling our public services is one of the most ignorant I've seen in this whole debate.

EU Migrants as a group are also net contributors to the system (they bring more in through taxation than they cost in public services). Educated elsewhere, young, fit & healthy, working and paying tax.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:20 pm  

bren2k wrote:

So have I - 50,000 of them work in it; and another 40odd thousand in the social care sector, looking after your nana when she's lost her faculties.

And for what it's worth - the parlous state of the NHS is not due to immigration; it's caused by years of ideological austerity imposed by the Tories. And fat people.

I wouldn't dream of disputing any of what you've posted , but as I said , I've seen 1 st hand the strain immigration has placed on both the NHS and Education , I do feel we need to address it because if we don't it will become a problem IMO

You might well feel differently , but I would ask a simple question , at what level do you feel it might become an issue ?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:23 pm  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

Exactly.

The argument that immigrants are crippling our public services is one of the most ignorant I've seen in this whole debate.

EU Migrants as a group are also net contributors to the system (they bring more in through taxation than they cost in public services). Educated elsewhere, young, fit & healthy, working and paying tax.

I haven't stated just EU immigration , and I'm sure there are many who do contribute , and many who don't

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:09 pm  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

Exactly.

The argument that immigrants are crippling our public services is one of the most ignorant I've seen in this whole debate.

EU Migrants as a group are also net contributors to the system (they bring more in through taxation than they cost in public services). Educated elsewhere, young, fit & healthy, working and paying tax.

What percentage are net contributors? Given that most migrants are in lower paid jobs and given that 52 percent of all UK households received more in services / benefits in 2014 than they contributed in tax, I would be surprised if the percentage of net contributors would be high. I suspect the figure may be distorted by the investment bankers and ultra-rich non-dons living in London?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:00 am  

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/9514608.html?edition=uk

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/9514608.html?edition=uk

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:09 am  

Dally wrote:

What percentage are net contributors? Given that most migrants are in lower paid jobs and given that 52 percent of all UK households received more in services / benefits in 2014 than they contributed in tax, I would be surprised if the percentage of net contributors would be high. I suspect the figure may be distorted by the investment bankers and ultra-rich non-dons living in London?

Is a non-don someone who isn't in the maffia?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:32 am  

GUBRATS wrote:

I haven't stated just EU immigration , and I'm sure there are many who do contribute , and many who don't

This is a Brexit thread, hence I thought you meant EU immigration.

The strains to the NHS & education are down to chronic under funding, not immigration.