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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:52 am  
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It was an off topic and inane question and so didn't warrant a reply.


You were commenting on the US president and parroting the right-wing view that he is 'weak'.

It is therefore entirely on topic to ask you if you prefer a right-wing one who prayed to his particular version of the sky pixie before trotting off to launch invasions.

It's certainly no more 'off topic' than your using this as another excuse to trumpet your homophobic credentials.
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:00 am  
I preferred the Reagan and Thatcher era when strong Western leadership prevailed over weak Russian leadership and led to the emancipation on tens of millions of people. Putin has learned the lesson of history but we haven't. Freedom needs fighting for and constant vigilance.
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:42 am  
At least Ronnie only consulted the stars, which at least do exist.

Two points:

1) It wasn't 'Russia' at the time.

2) The situation also demanded strength of leadership from Gorbachev, who recognised the economic ramifications of continuing the stupidity of the arms race. To pretend that that was 'weakness' would be errant nonsense.
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:17 am  
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I preferred the Reagan and Thatcher era when strong Western leadership prevailed over weak Russian leadership and led to the emancipation on tens of millions of people. Putin has learned the lesson of history but we haven't. Freedom needs fighting for and constant vigilance.



With hindsight most intelligent commentators, even the American ones, can look back at the era from the late 1950s to the start of Glasnost and realise just how close the world came to conventional and nuclear conflict on several occasions during those 30 or so years, close enough to look back and think "Actually, that was all a bit stupid" close enough to understand, with hindsight, that talking and economic sanctions should ALWAYS, without fail or question, precede even threats of military action.

Sixteen years ago I stayed for a couple of nights on a British Army base in Northern Germany which was still used by a tank regiment of some description, it was the size of a small town, in fact it dwarfed the small German town next to it but it was apparently randomly located hundreds of miles from the Soviet border, except that it wasn't really for in the bad old days it was only one or two miles away from the East German border and the size of the military on call on that base gives you an indication of how seriously the NATO forces took the threat from the USSR, if an invasion had started at any point that would have been the front line and that base would have defended all of Northern West Germany and the Baltic coast.

If you're happy to spend billions every year to appear to have big balls then fine, throw some more voluntary tax into a big pot, or ask Cameron to strip off his shirt and be photographed on a boar hunt in a slightly homo-erotic publicity campaign...
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:53 pm  
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At least Ronnie only consulted the stars, which at least do exist.

Two points:

1) It wasn't 'Russia' at the time.

2) The situation also demanded strength of leadership from Gorbachev, who recognised the economic ramifications of continuing the stupidity of the arms race. To pretend that that was 'weakness' would be errant nonsense.


It was weakness because Russia couldn't afford it at the time.
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:55 pm  
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Sixteen years ago I stayed for a couple of nights on a British Army base in Northern Germany which was still used by a tank regiment of some description, it was the size of a small town, in fact it dwarfed the small German town next to it but it was apparently randomly located hundreds of miles from the Soviet border, except that it wasn't really for in the bad old days it was only one or two miles away from the East German border and the size of the military on call on that base gives you an indication of how seriously the NATO forces took the threat from the USSR, if an invasion had started at any point that would have been the front line and that base would have defended all of Northern West Germany and the Baltic coast.

If you're happy to spend billions every year to appear to have big balls then fine, throw some more voluntary tax into a big pot, or ask Cameron to strip off his shirt and be photographed on a boar hunt in a slightly homo-erotic publicity campaign...


No one was happy to spend the money it was considered necessary in order to prevent Europe being overrun.

The UK should perhaps have allied itself to Russia a couple of years ago. We are now allied with a split alliance - the ineffectual talking-shop that is the EU and the USA. The EU can never seem to agree with the US which leads to a weak and weaking situtation as regards the defence of Europe. Poor stategic thinking is pushing Russia toward China which would leave the old West, or more particularly, Europe very vulnerable.
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:08 pm  
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... ask Cameron to strip off his shirt and be photographed on a boar hunt in a slightly homo-erotic publicity campaign...


Oh god no – he'd tweet it, for heaven's sake.
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:10 pm  
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... The UK should perhaps have allied itself to Russia a couple of years ago ...


It's those homo-erotic pictures of strong man Putin, isn't it?

People have suggested your homophobia is Freudian – now it seems you've given the game away.
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:14 pm  
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It's those homo-erotic pictures of strong man Putin, isn't it?

People have suggested your homophobia is Freudian – now it seems you've given the game away.


Why are such pictures "homo-erotic"? You live in a warped word.
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:04 pm  
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Why are such pictures "homo-erotic"? You live in a warped word.


Ooo, all machismo – images of hunting and shooting and fishing, with bare flesh and rippling muscles as well as the guns.

Ooo Dally, don't pretend you don't understand.
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