Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:46 pm  

Dally wrote:

A manifesto, by it's nature is just a broad overview. Otherwise, it would run to thousands of pages and not serve it's purpose.

That pile of crap you linked to is 130+ (although one page is Dave pretending to write it, and some others appear to be Pythonesque graphs) Not that broad an overview

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:47 pm  

Mintball wrote:

"There will be no more top-down reorganisations of the NHS."

He then oversees exactly that, dismissing the views of the majority of those working in the NHS to impose change.

In other words, he lied. David Cameron is a liar.

And the manifesto is wishy-washy bølløcks.

Still, if it took you in ...

you mean like Wilson,Heath,Callaghan,Thatcher,Major,BLIAR & Brown ?

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:42 am  

sanjunien wrote:

you mean like Wilson,Heath,Callaghan,Thatcher,Major,BLIAR & Brown ?

I mean to the extent =of campaigning on specific pledges – and then, when in office, going straight back on those pledges. Why? Because he knows that the British love the NHS and if he'd told the truth, he would not have been anywhere near Downing Street.

That's why he had to lie; that's why, in spite of being ordered to do so by courts, he and his lackeys have still refused to reveal the risk register. But as long as the private health companies he had secret meetings with, and the private health companies that have funded La La Lansley for years can make loads more money (and then probably take it out of the country or at least avoid paying tax on it) he won't care a toss.

Blair was dismal – another believer in neo-liberal nonsense and a liar over the war. Thatcher started the entire neo-liberal attack on this country, deciding that we could get rid of industry and develop and live off a culture of 'aspirationalism' – or put another way, keeping up with the Joneses turned into a virtue. And that's without mentioning privatisation – another policy Blair continued.

Wilson? Kept us out of Vietnam and founded the Open University, so his is the most positive legacy in decades, methinks.

But back to Cameron. Specific lies, told to the electorate and then reneged on the minute he gained office.

Still, it'll also make the disgusting Daniel Hannan happy.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:59 am  

Mintball wrote:

I mean to the extent =of campaigning on specific pledges – and then, when in office, going straight back on those pledges. Why? Because he knows that the British love the NHS and if he'd told the truth, he would not have been anywhere near Downing Street.

That's why he had to lie; that's why, in spite of being ordered to do so by courts, he and his lackeys have still refused to reveal the risk register. But as long as the private health companies he had secret meetings with, and the private health companies that have funded La La Lansley for years can make loads more money (and then probably take it out of the country or at least avoid paying tax on it) he won't care a toss.

Blair was dismal – another believer in neo-liberal nonsense and a liar over the war. Thatcher started the entire neo-liberal attack on this country, deciding that we could get rid of industry and develop and live off a culture of 'aspirationalism' – or put another way, keeping up with the Joneses turned into a virtue. And that's without mentioning privatisation – another policy Blair continued.

Wilson? Kept us out of Vietnam and founded the Open University, so his is the most positive legacy in decades, methinks.

But back to Cameron. Specific lies, told to the electorate and then reneged on the minute he gained office.

Still, it'll also make the disgusting Daniel Hannan happy.

And the thing is, unless the whole NHS experiment fails absolutely terribly and with tragic consequences, I can see the Tories winning the next election with an absolute majority.

Mainly because there is no-one else to oppose them at the moment and probably won't be at the next election.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:12 am  

McLaren_Field wrote: Mainly because there is no-one else to oppose them at the moment and probably won't be at the next election. I wouldn't be so sure on that. True, Labour have been somewhat lacking in policy apart from, "we wouldn't do that". But I think Miliband Minor is far from stupid. I reckon we'll soon see a shadow cabinet re-shuffle with balls Balls and no-balls Balls swapping places. Ed Balls is still tainted by his stint with Gordon Brown and basically he comes across as nothing more than a gobshite, Yvette Cooper is a shrewder beast alltogether and Gideon would find debating with her difficult to say the least. Rachael Reeves could also give Gideon a run for his money but she does need to ditch that estuarial accent. Chuka Ummuna is another one who I reckon will benefit from accelerated promotion. There's been no need so far for Labour to proclaim any policies but they'd better be ready because after the failure of last year's Most pro-growth budget ever, if this year's results in even more borowing and stifled growth, we could be in for some serious slanging matches

McLaren_Field wrote: Mainly because there is no-one else to oppose them at the moment and probably won't be at the next election. I wouldn't be so sure on that. True, Labour have been somewhat lacking in policy apart from, "we wouldn't do that". But I think Miliband Minor is far from stupid. I reckon we'll soon see a shadow cabinet re-shuffle with balls Balls and no-balls Balls swapping places. Ed Balls is still tainted by his stint with Gordon Brown and basically he comes across as nothing more than a gobshite, Yvette Cooper is a shrewder beast alltogether and Gideon would find debating with her difficult to say the least. Rachael Reeves could also give Gideon a run for his money but she does need to ditch that estuarial accent. Chuka Ummuna is another one who I reckon will benefit from accelerated promotion. There's been no need so far for Labour to proclaim any policies but they'd better be ready because after the failure of last year's Most pro-growth budget ever, if this year's results in even more borowing and stifled growth, we could be in for some serious slanging matches

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:41 am  

cod'ead wrote: I wouldn't be so sure on that. True, Labour have been somewhat lacking in policy apart from, "we wouldn't do that". But I think Miliband Minor is far from stupid. I reckon we'll soon see a shadow cabinet re-shuffle with balls Balls and no-balls Balls swapping places. Ed Balls is still tainted by his stint with Gordon Brown and basically he comes across as nothing more than a gobshite, Yvette Cooper is a shrewder beast alltogether and Gideon would find debating with her difficult to say the least. Rachael Reeves could also give Gideon a run for his money but she does need to ditch that estuarial accent. Chuka Ummuna is another one who I reckon will benefit from accelerated promotion. There's been no need so far for Labour to proclaim any policies but they'd better be ready because after the failure of last year's Most pro-growth budget ever, if this year's results in even more borowing and stifled growth, we could be in for some serious slanging matches Indeed. She had Theresa May on toast over the 'Just let em in without checking' fiasco.

cod'ead wrote: I wouldn't be so sure on that. True, Labour have been somewhat lacking in policy apart from, "we wouldn't do that". But I think Miliband Minor is far from stupid. I reckon we'll soon see a shadow cabinet re-shuffle with balls Balls and no-balls Balls swapping places. Ed Balls is still tainted by his stint with Gordon Brown and basically he comes across as nothing more than a gobshite, Yvette Cooper is a shrewder beast alltogether and Gideon would find debating with her difficult to say the least. Rachael Reeves could also give Gideon a run for his money but she does need to ditch that estuarial accent. Chuka Ummuna is another one who I reckon will benefit from accelerated promotion. There's been no need so far for Labour to proclaim any policies but they'd better be ready because after the failure of last year's Most pro-growth budget ever, if this year's results in even more borowing and stifled growth, we could be in for some serious slanging matches Indeed. She had Theresa May on toast over the 'Just let em in without checking' fiasco.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:27 pm  

I wonder how the NHS will fit into Gideon's regional public sector pay proposals?

Could we end up with health "ghettos" where Trusts are prevented from paying the going rate to attract top quality staff, with nurses and doctors choosing to work 20 miles down the road where they can get a better deal?

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:57 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

That pile of crap you linked to is 130+ (although one page is Dave pretending to write it, and some others appear to be Pythonesque graphs) Not that broad an overview

Look at Labour's - all it says is "Tough choices" - what the heck did that mean?

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:03 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

I wonder how the NHS will fit into Gideon's regional public sector pay proposals?

Could we end up with health "ghettos" where Trusts are prevented from paying the going rate to attract top quality staff, with nurses and doctors choosing to work 20 miles down the road where they can get a better deal?

We have that already. NHS care is a postcode lottery. Also it's not national in the sense that there's no joined up care between different areas. Eg My daughter goes to school in one place, at weekend is at home and our local hospital is a couple of miles away across a county boundary. Our county has no specialist nurses to advise on her condition, the one attached to the local hospital allegedly can't because we are across the boundary, whilst being nearer than most of their county's folk. You can only register with one GP despite residing in two locations. Also the system if heavily GP based and seems likely to get more so. There seems to be this notion that your GP knows you inside out (literally!) - but the reality is that if you are fortunate to be healthy and go to a group practice the chances of them knowing you is remote! Also, with complex conditions they refuse to opine and so are pointless going to - apart to waste time for a referral to a consultant and then again as a conduit for the consultants response. The system is not great.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:51 pm  

Dally wrote:

Look at Labour's - all it says is "Tough choices" - what the heck did that mean?

No idea. I didn't write it

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