Re: The General Election Thread : Sat May 09, 2015 9:40 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Thats the really inexplicable thing - right wing party appears on the scene, further right than the Tories and attracts core vote from dirt poor traditional working class Labour supporters because of their Nationalistic jingo, borderline racism and absolute xenophobic policies, and will now quietly fade from the scene for another five years.

I call conspiracy theory...

Now we all know that the vote in Thanet was rigged against Nige.

A combined operation by MI5 and the CIA conspired to rig the vote by stealing the ballot boxes and then burn them in a Paris tunnel. Joe Biden knows exactly what happened but is desperate to cover it up. And we all know it's a conspiracy anyway. Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt paper.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sat May 09, 2015 11:09 pm  

Him wrote:

Now we all know that the vote in Thanet was rigged against Nige.

A combined operation by MI5 and the CIA conspired to rig the vote by stealing the ballot boxes and then burn them in a Paris tunnel. Joe Biden knows exactly what happened but is desperate to cover it up. And we all know it's a conspiracy anyway. Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt paper.

If only there was a thread I could find some evidence of this...perhaps someone has read a book uncovering evidence of this dreadful conspiracy and might be kind enough to post a link whereupon I might find said publication...

Re: The General Election Thread : Sun May 10, 2015 12:27 am  

It's not take long for the first protests to begin.

Kicked off in London this evening.

BBC were strangely quiet in reporting the protest until it went viral all over twitter at which point they had to report it due to accusations of censorship

Re: The General Election Thread : Sun May 10, 2015 6:03 am  

Dally wrote:

When I predicted riots by summer 2017 I meant by "real" people not those posh kids who are rioting today.

And not the other middle-class tw@ts parading around in Anonymous masks.
It's got to be raw, vibrant and from the streets Toxtethtian and Brixtonian like.
We live in hope.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sun May 10, 2015 9:19 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

You have to actually know what you are talking about before you can start schooling anyone - something you quite clearly don't.

Break my post down then if you disagree.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sun May 10, 2015 10:09 am  

A quick comparison between FPTP and PR:

Number & share of votes:
Conservatives - 11.3m - 36.9%
Labour - 9.3m - 30.4%
UKIP - 3.9m - 12.6%
Liberal Democrats - 2.4m - 7.9%
SNP - 1.5m - 4.7%
Green - 1.2m - 3.8%
DUP - 184,260 - 0.6%
Plaid Cymru - 181,694 - 0.6%
Sinn Fein - 176,232 - 0.6%
UUP - 114,935 - 0.4%
SDLP - 98,809 - 0.3%
Alliance - 61,556 - 0.2%
TUSC - 36,327 - 0.1%
NHA - 20,210 - 0.1%
TUV - 16,538 - 0.1%

Number of MP's under FPTP
Conservatives - 331
Labour - 232
SNP - 56
Liberal Democrats - 8
DUP - 8
Sinn Fein - 4
Plaid Cymru - 3
SDLP - 3
UUP - 2
UKIP - 1
Green - 1
Independent - 1

MP's under PR
Conservatives - 242
Labour - 199
UKIP - 82
Liberal Democrats - 51
SNP - 31
Greens - 24
Others - 21

Re: The General Election Thread : Sun May 10, 2015 12:10 pm  

YES!!! Bloody brilliant result. The cherry on the rather large cake was seeing Balls get booted out.
The bleating of Jones, Toynbee et al is music to my ears.
Hopefully this'll see the Labour party and it's band of hypocritical acolytes banished to the margins for a good while.
At least those on welfare will be spared Rachel Reeves and her plan to hit them harder than the Tories, what sort of heartless, socially bereft nice person would vote for a party that would do that?

Haven't laughed as much since Quisling Benn popped his clogs.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sun May 10, 2015 2:49 pm  

The Labour party pulling itself apart with half of them wanting to lurch further to the left and the other half wanting to move back towards the centre. Whatever happens half of them aren't going to be happy.

It also looks like there will be open war as to the ongoing role of the trade unions in the future of the party.

It's going to be a long way back into office for the Labour party.

Re: The General Election Thread : Sun May 10, 2015 7:49 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

The Labour party pulling itself apart with half of them wanting to lurch further to the left and the other half wanting to move back towards the centre. Whatever happens half of them aren't going to be happy.

It also looks like there will be open war as to the ongoing role of the trade unions in the future of the party.

It's going to be a long way back into office for the Labour party.

The problems of the Labour party will be like a vicar's tea party compared to the interfighting that will now ensue in the parliamentary tory party. Once the dust has settled (should be after the summer break), then Camoron's real problems will start to surface.

He's going into the next five years with a smaller majority than Major enjoyed and an equal number of right-wing nutjobs. Farage won't be needed to "hold Cameron's feet to the fire" over Europe, he's got plenty on his own team to do that. He'll no longer have the LimpDems to blame for not being able to implement ALL of his manifesto commitments. Now the UK public will see him for the sneaky, conniving bully that he is.

Labour may be looking at a few years in the wilderness but the last thing they should do is even consider a return to Blairism. No matter what the likes of Mandelson may say, Blair was 20 years ago and thanks to him and his bessie GWB, the world is a completely different place. Labour have suffered far worse defeats, they'll get over this

Re: The General Election Thread : Sun May 10, 2015 8:39 pm  

I agree Labour cannot go back. Blair was the right man at the right time. But times and needs move on.

In the short-term it is difficult to see where Labour can go. Over time they have got to hope that the union doesn't break, PR is introduced and / or the Tories sh*t on too many people that people have nowhere else to turn.