Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:03 pm  

Mintball wrote:

So alleged anti-semitism is okay from a teenager?

The problem with anything that's "alleged" is that it could just be simply made up so people can point and go "look, look isn't he she awful", it's a neat trick usually done by our glorious press.

So, I'll do you a deal, you come back with some evidence that a 13 year old boy wanted to change his name because he thought it was too Jewish and then I'll stop thinking that you're just an angry bag of not very much who gets their kicks from, well, just making up unpleasant things about people they don't like very much. Branding a 13 year old anti-semitic based nothing more than you don't like him. FFS. Grow up.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:54 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

The problem with anything that's "alleged" is that it could just be simply made up so people can point and go "look, look isn't he she awful", it's a neat trick usually done by our glorious press.

So, I'll do you a deal, you come back with some evidence that a 13 year old boy wanted to change his name because he thought it was too Jewish and then I'll stop thinking that you're just an angry bag of not very much who gets their kicks from, well, just making up unpleasant things about people they don't like very much. Branding a 13 year old anti-semitic based nothing more than you don't like him. FFS. Grow up.

GEORGE OSBORNE - AN ANTI-SEMITIC great dude: WHEN DID GIDEON OSBORNE BECOME GEORGE OSBORNE - AND WHY?

In his sympathetic new biography of the chancellor, FT reporter Janan Ganesh says it was on "the eve of moving 'up' to St. Paul's School in 1984" that Osborne changed his name.

This has surprised 'Old Paulines' of his generation, who insist Osborne was still Gideon when he started at the school and remained so for another couple of years.

"There was no doubt that he was well into his 'career' at St. Paul's at the time," says one.

"It was a comical event, the name change, and much talked about."

As for the question of why, Ganesh says that:

"Theories abound ... Osborne has always said that he simply did not like the name, so he changed it. But it may also be that he was already set on a career in public life and feared that his baroque and rarefied name might hold him back."

In fact the reason was rather more specific, an old scholl chum tells Lord Gnome.

This friend greeted Osborne in the 'Periodicals Room' outside the Library on the first day of term with a resounding:

"Ahoy, Gid! How goes?" - only to be told that "actually, it's George now".

"Really?" said the boy. "Why's that?"

"FRANKLY" the teenage Osborne explained:

"I CAN'T SEE THE BRITISH PEOPLE ELECTING A PRIME MINISTER WITH SUCH A JEWISH FIRST NAME."

(Private Eye No.1330 22nd Dec. 2012 - January 10th 2013)


Allegedly.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:39 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

GEORGE OSBORNE - AN ANTI-SEMITIC great dude: WHEN DID GIDEON OSBORNE BECOME GEORGE OSBORNE - AND WHY?

In his sympathetic new biography of the chancellor, FT reporter Janan Ganesh says it was on "the eve of moving 'up' to St. Paul's School in 1984" that Osborne changed his name.

This has surprised 'Old Paulines' of his generation, who insist Osborne was still Gideon when he started at the school and remained so for another couple of years.

"There was no doubt that he was well into his 'career' at St. Paul's at the time," says one.

"It was a comical event, the name change, and much talked about."

As for the question of why, Ganesh says that:

"Theories abound ... Osborne has always said that he simply did not like the name, so he changed it. But it may also be that he was already set on a career in public life and feared that his baroque and rarefied name might hold him back."

In fact the reason was rather more specific, an old scholl chum tells Lord Gnome.

This friend greeted Osborne in the 'Periodicals Room' outside the Library on the first day of term with a resounding:

"Ahoy, Gid! How goes?" - only to be told that "actually, it's George now".

"Really?" said the boy. "Why's that?"

"FRANKLY" the teenage Osborne explained:

"I CAN'T SEE THE BRITISH PEOPLE ELECTING A PRIME MINISTER WITH SUCH A JEWISH FIRST NAME."

(Private Eye No.1330 22nd Dec. 2012 - January 10th 2013)


Allegedly.

I thought he wasn't worth wasting anymore of your time on but I see you jumped in rather fast with this one.

Let us believe for a second that he did in fact change his name because he didn't believe the British people would elect a prime minister with such a Jewish first name.

Anti-semitism is hatred / discrimination / prejudice toward Jews.

If the reasoning above was correct then Osborne changed his name not because he wanted to discriminate against Jewish people but because he thought that others might discriminate against him because of his name.

Therefore there is no anti-semitism. George Osborne can in no way be described as anti-semitic.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:49 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

I thought he wasn't worth wasting anymore of your time on but I see you jumped in rather fast with this one.

Let us believe for a second that he did in fact change his name because he didn't believe the British people would elect a prime minister with such a Jewish first name.

Anti-semitism is hatred / discrimination / prejudice toward Jews.

If the reasoning above was correct then Osborne changed his name not because he wanted to discriminate against Jewish people but because he thought that others might discriminate against him because of his name.

Therefore there is no anti-semitism. George Osborne can in no way be described as anti-semitic.

I've been offline for most of the afternoon - I'm not sad as to wait for posts to be written and jump on them as soon as. I didn't waste time on him. I googled him and found it in seconds, like BobbyD could have done but instead chose to wind up Minty in pretending she'd made it all up.

I didn't say I agree with her or believe the article, more like just showing it was out there.

Allegedly.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:04 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

GEORGE OSBORNE - AN ANTI-SEMITIC great dude: WHEN DID GIDEON OSBORNE BECOME GEORGE OSBORNE - AND WHY?

In his sympathetic new biography of the chancellor, FT reporter Janan Ganesh says it was on "the eve of moving 'up' to St. Paul's School in 1984" that Osborne changed his name.

This has surprised 'Old Paulines' of his generation, who insist Osborne was still Gideon when he started at the school and remained so for another couple of years.

"There was no doubt that he was well into his 'career' at St. Paul's at the time," says one.

"It was a comical event, the name change, and much talked about."

As for the question of why, Ganesh says that:

"Theories abound ... Osborne has always said that he simply did not like the name, so he changed it. But it may also be that he was already set on a career in public life and feared that his baroque and rarefied name might hold him back."

In fact the reason was rather more specific, an old scholl chum tells Lord Gnome.

This friend greeted Osborne in the 'Periodicals Room' outside the Library on the first day of term with a resounding:

"Ahoy, Gid! How goes?" - only to be told that "actually, it's George now".

"Really?" said the boy. "Why's that?"

"FRANKLY" the teenage Osborne explained:

"I CAN'T SEE THE BRITISH PEOPLE ELECTING A PRIME MINISTER WITH SUCH A JEWISH FIRST NAME."

(Private Eye No.1330 22nd Dec. 2012 - January 10th 2013)


Allegedly.

Oh, well, there we are conclusive proof. FFS.
Plus, if you take that statement in isolation, how the hell is it anti semitic. He's basically calling the UK electorate a bunch of bigots. Which, if you really think about it, he's that not wrong. The dogs abuse Thatcher gets for closing less mines than Wilson in the Peoples Republic of Yorkshire shows misogyny reigns over that side of the hills.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:07 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

Oh, well, there we are conclusive proof. FFS.

Never said it was - read my post above before you start FFS'ing!!

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:25 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

The dogs abuse Thatcher gets for closing less mines than Wilson in the Peoples Republic of Yorkshire shows misogyny reigns over that side of the hills.

It wasn't the numbers of mines closed, rather than the reasons for closure snd the numbers of miners thrown on the scrapheap.

Mind you, it's a similar argument to the growth of foodbanks under Labour. A statistic that brainless tories keep trotting out.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:11 pm  

Politics of the playground, name calling, flag waving and blaming others - the only thing holding any government back is the constant need to deflect blame and pick up scraps of praise rather than just tell it like it is.

By means of comparison - you get a heating engineer in to install central heating in your home, he makes a complete balls up of it and is plainly out of his depth, so you invite another heating engineer around for his opinion, he tells you exactly what he thinks is wrong and what he thinks he'd do to fix the mess left by the first guy and asks you to give him the job, so you do, and he spends the next five years not fixing your central heating but telling you how bad a mess the first guy left.

Political chancers, a minimum five year mandate to line your own pocket, invest in property in Central London without using your own money and then cash in on the profit when your contract ends, if I didn't have to kiss so many arses to get there then I'd do it myself.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:13 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

It wasn't the numbers of mines closed, rather than the reasons for closure snd the numbers of miners thrown on the scrapheap.

FFS you're scraping the barrel now. So Tory pit closures are worse than Labour pit closures? I suppose Tory boom and bust was evil and ended by Gordon Brown who then presided over the grandest of boom and busts, one that has caused foodbanks and austerity. But that was a Labour boom and bust - so it's great. f*** the colleteral damage, it was a Labour one, so it was better than a smaller, Tory one!?

You and Brown have in your respective words encapsulated the warped, sick, deluded and frankly insane mind of the socialist.

I thought you were better than that.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:26 pm  

Dally wrote:

FFS you're scraping the barrel now. So Tory pit closures are worse than Labour pit closures? I suppose Tory boom and bust was evil and ended by Gordon Brown who then presided over the grandest of boom and busts, one that has caused foodbanks and austerity. But that was a Labour boom and bust - so it's great. f*** the colleteral damage, it was a Labour one, so it was better than a smaller, Tory one!?

You and Brown have in your respective words encapsulated the warped, sick, deluded and frankly insane mind of the socialist.

I thought you were better than that.

How many strikes were called to oppose pit closures under the Wilson government? Pits have closed since the days they first opened, for the most part the NUM accepted, however reluctantly, that closures were an inevitability of an extractive process. The difference was the NCB would consult and explain the reasons for closure, they would also work to redeploy miners to productive pits. That all stopped under Thatcher, all the miners got was spin, lies and confrontation.