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I don't doubt it's true that Blair and Campbell cosied too far up to Murdoch, that's in the past. Cameron, Osbourne and Hunt have taken things even further - effectively they got the KY Gel out, in that they had a Murdoch man inside no 10.


Perhaps they'd echo your defence of New Labour - "What choice did we have?"

The Tories get some credit for resisting temptation whilst out of power*. I don't agree with William Hague and IDS on very much. But they at least draw a clear distinction between the roles of government and the media. In decades to come Blair's New Labour will undoubtedly be remembered as light years ahead of the Tories in all departments. Yet things could have been so different had Michael Howard been made party leader in the wake of election defeat. Ditto Michael Portillo - a cast iron certainty until Iain Duncan-Smith, the biggest long-odds runner since Foinavon in the National, snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Both Howard and Portillo were quite willing to play the same game as Labour and you can bet neither would have been afforded the ridicule poured so gleefully upon Hague & IDS by the client press.

Given that Cameron was very close to Michael Howard his current methods should come as little surprise.

Both parties now have the chance to distance themselves from Murdoch. Hunt must go because he misled parliament. Cameron should see to it that Murdoch not only is refused permission to own all of Sky but his licence to operate a TV station is rescinded altogether. The question is will he?


Don't be silly. Neither side has any wish to see the demise of the other. There's far too much at stake. Government sanctioned enquiries are finely engineered to portray the illusion that the system is self-cleansing whilst maintaining the status quo. Sure, some people will go to prison. A few ministers will lose their jobs. The police will get a kick in the nuts. But any notions of seeing the Murdochs clapped into irons are wishful thinking. From the evidence we've seen it's patently obvious one hard tug of this thread will result in catastrophic damage to the establishment. And how often has this happened in Britain during the last hundred years?

* Credit should also be given to John Major who sought to back way from Thatcher's cosy relationship with Murdoch - only to be viciously briefed against by the likes of Howard, Portillo etc.
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* Credit should also be given to John Major who sought to back way from Thatcher's cosy relationship with Murdoch - only to be viciously briefed against by the likes of Howard, Portillo etc.

I'm dyed in the wool Labour, but I've got a lot of time for John Major. He won the election in 1992 that Labour were supposed to win and take the s h i t for cleaning up Thatcher's mess (as Labour governments normally have to when they take over - 1945, 1964, 1974) instead Major had to do it. And he did it, and shared the pain fairly instead of dumping it all on the North of England, Wales and Scotland. That's why he got murdered in the South in 1997. But to say he backed away from Thatcher's cosy relationship with the Murdochs is to fool yourself. Remember the Sun's front page on Election Day 1992? Or their headline afterwards "It's the Sun wot won it!"
If there was any backing away it was the Murdochs from Major after the disaster of 15th September 1992. As Kelvin McKenzie said when Major (scared to death of a bad press) rang him that evening to ask what the Sun's reaction would be "I've got a pot full of s h i t and I'm going to empty it all over your head"
The Murdoch organisation realised that the Tories weren't going to win next time and altered their allegiance
Tony only had to ask. As I said in my earlier post, what has happened should have freed the parties from having to suck up to the likes of Murdoch. Every dog has his day. IMO Murdoch's had his. (better for RL too if they can be rid of him)
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cod'ead wrote:
Next week's Leveson should be fun, if the witness list is anything to go by:

Monday: That well known comedy duo; Gordon Brown and Gideon Osborne

Tuesday: John Major, Ed Miliband, Hattie Harperson

Wednesday: Nick Clegg, Alex Salmond

Thursday:Call me Dave Camoron

Given the cast, there's an opportunity for another carry-on film in that lot
We will see just how big a pair of stones Mr Jay has.
Hopefully they are the size of grapefruits and he will go for the kill on all of them.


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I could be rather fun eh!!
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan

Osborne must be literally shitting himself at the prospect of appearing in person, it was the very last thing he wanted. He simply does not have the debating skills of his peers and tory grandees will be watching his performance through their fingers.

Robert Jay is just the sort of onion-peeler that will bring out the spoilt-brat, Bullingdon Boy for everyone to see.

What are the odds on Gideon developing a "bladder infection" over the weekend?
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My money is on selective memory loss. I've a theory that Murdoch owns one of those memory erasers from the Men In Black films which he uses after every meeting with politicians.
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Dispatches - Channel 4, 8.00pm Monday should be interesting

Peter Oborne looking at just how close Camoron got to News Corp
Dispatches - Channel 4, 8.00pm Monday should be interesting

Peter Oborne looking at just how close Camoron got to News Corp
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tcher.html

One wonders whether Sir John is the only ex-PM telling the whole truth?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tcher.html

One wonders whether Sir John is the only ex-PM telling the whole truth?
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Dally wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2158066/Sir-John-Major-tells-Leveson-Inquiry-I-struggled-shadow-press-darling-Margaret-Thatcher.html

One wonders whether Sir John is the only ex-PM telling the whole truth?


I think the obvious thing is that old Rupert has been lying through his teeth..... :lol:

Has for 'Sir John', why are we expected to believe that everything he recounts is the truth??.....Let's not forget, here's a man who is a proven liar, after telling porkies to his missus for years, while boning his work colleague.... :lol:
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