Re: General Election 8th June : Mon May 22, 2017 7:46 pm  

It's actually quite incredible that they've managed to shoot themselves in the foot so badly with this social care policy. This election was pretty much unloseable for them until then. Is someone from Warrington running their campaign or something?

Be interesting to see what the surge of young voters registering means, difficult to tell with just raw numbers. Could easily just be pushing the Labour vote up further in safe areas like London, Manchester and Leeds but if it's spread out nicely then it could get interesting, particularly now the Tories have annoyed their base.

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon May 22, 2017 8:04 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I see the Tories as the lesser of two evils - they are all as bad as each other

Angela Rayner was on this morning in the same sentence said the removal of tuition fees would be £9bn and then said it would be £11.2bn which is it?

Labour have just missed out the cost of re-nationalising all those industries - I wonder why!!

How can Labour specify the cost of nationalisation? It would depend on share prices at the time it occurred. Do they have a crystal ball?

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon May 22, 2017 8:08 pm  

Dally wrote:

How can Labour specify the cost of nationalisation? It would depend on share prices at the time it occurred. Do they have a crystal ball?

You're forgetting Sal has done a fully costed model for the Labour Manifesto Dally. MADNESS

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon May 22, 2017 8:22 pm  

Disastrous BBC interview for May there. Wow.

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon May 22, 2017 10:45 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Where have I said that benefit cheats should be clamped down on?

If Ashley is not paying the legal minimum wage that is out of order - and he should be dealt with accordingly. Nobody forced these people to work for Ashley there are plenty of jobs in RDCs in that area and that seems to be a something you are struggling to accept. If nobody was willing to work for Ashley guess what T&Cs would have to change.

You can't go - on the one hand its a legal requirement to pay the minimum wage but its not OK to follow the law in terms of paying tax because you earn a lot of money - you can't have it both ways. Is that not in your words hypocritical

Are you related to T.MAy as there is one hell of a U turn in there.
You originally said that it was ok for Ashley to pay below the minimum wage and he could do so because of the significant numbers who wanted to work there.
Now you are agreeing with me and saying that IF he was paying below the minimum wage, he should be dealt with.

Tax avoidance/evasion may be legal, if you have clever accountants but it's basically immoral.
Perhaps if everyone was prepared to pay "their share", there would be enough in "the pot" to fund the NHS properly and perhaps then, the Tory press wouldnt have to peddle so many lies and blame the NHS failings on immigration.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 23, 2017 12:34 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Are you related to T.MAy as there is one hell of a U turn in there.
You originally said that it was ok for Ashley to pay below the minimum wage and he could do so because of the significant numbers who wanted to work there.
Now you are agreeing with me and saying that IF he was paying below the minimum wage, he should be dealt with.

Tax avoidance/evasion may be legal, if you have clever accountants but it's basically immoral.
Perhaps if everyone was prepared to pay "their share", there would be enough in "the pot" to fund the NHS properly and perhaps then, the Tory press wouldnt have to peddle so many lies and blame the NHS failings on immigration.

I never said it was OK for Ashley to pay below the minimum wage - what I said is if people are prepared to work for Ashley at the rate he pays then who is to blame. I repeat if no one was prepared to work there then he would have to pay more and offer better conditions. I guarantee you don't go into a shop and go that is too cheap I will pay more and I will also guarantee you haven't gone to your boss and say my work mate is underpaid and I will happily take a cut so he can earn a little bit more.

Tax avoidance is about using the existing laws to pay the correct amount of tax owed - is it not immoral expecting others to overpay on taxation just because they are rich - again I bet you would be the first one complaining if your tax payments were too high.

A lot of the issues in the NHS funding could be sorted by two things: firstly what do we want it to offer should extremely expensive cancer treatments be covered by the NHS, gender reasignment, IVF, etc. Secondly if its customers stopped abusing it by turning up at A&E when a visit to a chemist would suffice, missing appointments etc. Of course that isn't OK with you because the abusers aren't the wealthy.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 23, 2017 12:50 pm  

I never said it was OK for Ashley to pay below the minimum wage - what I said is if people are prepared to work for Ashley at the rate he pays then who is to blame. I repeat if no one was prepared to work there then he would have to pay more and offer better conditions. I guarantee you don't go into a shop and go that is too cheap I will pay more and I will also guarantee you haven't gone to your boss and say my work mate is underpaid and I will happily take a cut so he can earn a little bit more.

Tax avoidance is about using the existing laws to pay the correct amount of tax owed - is it not immoral expecting others to overpay on taxation just because they are rich - again I bet you would be the first one complaining if your tax payments were too high.

A lot of the issues in the NHS funding could be sorted by two things: firstly what do we want it to offer should extremely expensive cancer treatments be covered by the NHS, gender reasignment, IVF, etc. Secondly if its customers stopped abusing it by turning up at A&E when a visit to a chemist would suffice, missing appointments etc. Of course that isn't OK with you because the abusers aren't the wealthy.

Boom here we go That will wake the usual lefties up

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 23, 2017 12:57 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

if people are prepared to work for Ashley at the rate he pays then who is to blame

You're right - the workers are to blame, the idiots.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 23, 2017 1:12 pm  

bren2k wrote:

You're right - the workers are to blame, the idiots.

I wouldn't work in a place where I didn't think I was getting the correct pay and conditions, this is not a nanny state - perhaps things weren't quite so bad for most of the workers at Ashley's RDC - just a thought.

Re: General Election 8th June : Tue May 23, 2017 1:16 pm  

bren2k wrote:

You're right - the workers are to blame, the idiots.

*Right wing hat on* They should have tried harder at school, or they should just get better jobs. *Right wing hat off*