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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:03 am  
LeighGionaire wrote:
Amazing how within four post a thread can be completely derailed from talking about the Wests hypocrisy over the happenings in Ukraine onto the subject of homophobia!


You might have heard of this geezer, Putin, and his country, Russia.

Mentioning homophobia in connection with both is about as on-topic as mentioning the same country's kowtowing to religious sensibilities and surprising free speech – see Pussy Riot (and I'm not referring to Dally's 'minge' thread) et al.

Cronus has made the point that if you really think that Russians are getting a wonderfully honest and open version of events, then you're naive at best.

None of which, however, changes the current situation over Ukraine, Russia and the Crimea, although my earlier point about substantial cultural differences does – or perhaps should – influence to a degree how we view the current situation.

I don't know whether the telephone conversation is true.

There are also plenty of reports around of the far-right, ultra-nationalist nature of some of the new government, which could give rise to some validity to the idea that those in the country's east, who are much more Russian, do feel threatened.

As to hypocrisy – well duh. The UK is still selling arms to Russia – as are others. Politicians are fumbling around trying to understand what's going on and trying to be seen to 'do something'.
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:06 am  
The US are keen on sanctions precisely because they would damage European industry and create opportunities for theirs.
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:07 am  
The US are keen on sanctions precisely because they would damage European industry and create opportunities for theirs.
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:34 am  
Dita's Slot Meter wrote:
Have we found out from Dally, how the homosexual community have been responsible for the moral decline of the West yet??


Well, these sort of shenanigans may simply be considered a good night out in your circle, but are the cause for many a raised eyebrow amongst the more normal of us........ And of course the West Country is still flooded!
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Have we found out from Dally, how the homosexual community have been responsible for the moral decline of the West yet??


Well, these sort of shenanigans may simply be considered a good night out in your circle, but are the cause for many a raised eyebrow amongst the more normal of us........ And of course the West Country is still flooded!
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:37 am  
If the Russians are worried about the Russian speaking people of the Crimea, give them asylum in Russia or give them a house and some land, it's big enough.
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:13 am  
Crimea is part of Russia. It was given to Ukraine by an allegedly drunken president at a time when they were both part of the USSR (ie when it didn't matter).
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:29 am  
Dally wrote:
Crimea is part of Russia. It was given to Ukraine


So it's not part of Russia.
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:35 am  
DHM wrote:
So it's not part of Russia.

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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:36 am  
Dally wrote:
Crimea is part of Russia.


Nope.

Try again. Preferably after actually consulting a map.
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Re: Hypocrisy Of The West Regarding Ukraine : Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:57 am  
It is also autonomous and has decided it wants to rejoin Russia. The people will vote that way shortly. So it will be the democratic will of the people, which the West espouses love for everywhere else. Contrast Western support for the violent overthrow of a democratically elected government in Ukraine and you start to see that there is no interest in democracy just geophysical meddling in Russia's backyard.
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