Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:25 pm  

Standee wrote:

I might set up a charity "curing" poor deluded souls that believe in the Sky Pixie, do you think I'd get a Lottery grant?

I like the idea.

But that takes us back to the extraordinary deference that is shown to people of all religious faiths. And I still don't get it, even having been one of that group for the bulk of my life.

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:23 pm  

Why is Jesus bothered with somebody's gardening in Yorkshire and he couldn't find the time to tell MT about medicine?

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:34 pm  

Mintball wrote:

If someone is LGB – or thinks they may be – and is so unhappy with this that they are likely to consider a 'cure', then it would seem fair to consider them as vulnerable and not in a particularly healthy mental/emotional state.

This sort of thing exploits that – and could do real harm.

When my ex was in one of her "priest-baiting" moods, she visited a church only to be pounced upon by the resident god-recruiter in chief. After a 30 minute discussion of how good Jesus was she decided to let them know she was transsexual, only to be met with "Gemma, why on earth would you want to become a man?". She just grinned and walked out

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:53 pm  

Dally wrote:

No I am afraid it goes much more deeply than homosexuality, it's about the principles on which any sustainable society needs to be based. It's about where lines are drawn. It's about freedom of expression. the fact that you refuse to see that shows that either you cannot see the bigger picture beyond the end of your nose or you just prefer name calling over inconsequential issues.

You know when I said you had, possibly, a fair point?
I was very wrong, you didn't.

Freedom of speech is valuable and necessary, but quack therapies are wrong, whether they purport to de-gay people, cure cancer or reduce obesity.
It's not freedom of speech that's the issue with quack therapies, it's the fact that they are quack therapies.

The failure to see the bigger picture is yours.
You cannot see beyond grasping at straws in attempts to validate your prejudice.

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:47 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

You cannot see beyond grasping at straws in attempts to validate your prejudice.

What prejudice would that be?

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:57 pm  

Dally wrote:

What prejudice would that be?

Your prejudice against gay people, which you call morality.

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:57 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

When my ex was in one of her "priest-baiting" moods, she visited a church only to be pounced upon by the resident god-recruiter in chief. After a 30 minute discussion of how good Jesus was she decided to let them know she was transsexual, only to be met with "Gemma, why on earth would you want to become a man?". She just grinned and walked out

Good way to kill spare time.

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:09 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

You know when I said you had, possibly, a fair point?
I was very wrong, you didn't.

Freedom of speech is valuable and necessary, but quack therapies are wrong, whether they purport to de-gay people, cure cancer or reduce obesity.
It's not freedom of speech that's the issue with quack therapies, it's the fact that they are quack therapies.

Quack therapy or not (I have made my feelings on the matter clear), is this issue really about the quality of the therapy itself? For example, do you think Boris would have pulled homeopathy adverts, or silenced Chinese therapies claiming to get rid of warts?

The answer is obvious.

This was a clear political statement, made days before the London Mayoral Election. The advert had been passed by the relevant advertising standards authority, but Boris sought to use his discretionary veto to pull the ads and gain support amongst the left whose votes he needed to return him to political office.

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:14 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

When my ex was in one of her "priest-baiting" moods, she visited a church only to be pounced upon by the resident god-recruiter in chief. After a 30 minute discussion of how good Jesus was she decided to let them know she was transsexual, only to be met with "Gemma, why on earth would you want to become a man?". She just grinned and walked out

Brilliant.

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:15 pm  

Kirkstaller, when did you choose to be straight or when and how did you contract heterosexuality?