Wanting to ( obviously ) , and getting it are 2 very different things , and Similarily I doubt the main EU exporters to the UK want to lose their sales to us

So I can see a fixed charge being agreed for us to retain access

IF we can retain access to the single market, we could end up "having our cake and eating it", it will be interesting how the EU"& feel about it.
If the UK is successful in achieving this, I think there could be a rush of other nations wanting the same deal, which could see the end of the EU as we know it or, at the very least a substantial change in how it operates.

The EUs economy is about to drop off a cliff edge. If people united behind tough Brexit negotiations we could have our cake and eat it - they would pay us to remain part of single maker with no free movement!

All these scribbled notes, speeches, etc are simply disinformation so the EU doesn't know what the UK government is aiming for, to cover backsides if negotiations do not go as well as hoped and to take the sting out of the Remainers' panic. Working a treat at present. If Italy now goes for a referendum on leaving the Eurozone at around the time we trigger Art. 50 they'll give us anything we ask for and offer substantial reform to appease Italy. If the Euro fails there is one economy that really suffers - Germanies. They will not allow that to happen and if it looks likely they reintroduce the DM and leave France, et al to rot.

Why

Especially not those people running round threatening people in the immediate aftermath of the vote saying "we won, you'll be going home", and pushing the government to make the announcement that there was actually no change to the status of EU people already here?

How do you tell the difference between someone who is already here and is coming back after popping to his home country for the weekend and a new EU person coming here for the first time?


Not happy, no, but if resident workers won't do it, who will? We all like cheap veg and the current situation is better than letting it rot unpicked in the fields. If consumers were prepared to pay a decent price farmers might not need "slave" labour and we wouldn't need foreign workers to pick veg.



You're right. I should make some old rubbish up and write it on a bus as "Project Truth"

By ' Nobody ' , I meant politically , not your average big mouthed moron who was already liable to racially abuse

You issue a visa

Yes we'll have to pay more for our food

Read up on Lithuania if you like

Not necessarily the customer's fault. The supermarkets are mostly to blame in all this. When they happily sell eggs and milk as loss leaders it's a pretty sorry state of affairs. Milk pricing in particular has become a race to the bottom and it's purely to entice customers in to spend more on their way through the store to the milk. A couple of years ago Morrisons were selling a pint for as little as 24p. When you know about the work and processes involved in making that pint you have to wonder why the farmers even bother! Fair play to Morrisons, they now offer an increased cost milk where they guarantee that the farmer gets a fair deal. Although by doing this they're pretty much admitting that if you buy the cheap stuff they're not!

My in laws are three generations of dairy farmers so I've seen first hand just how much damage the supermarket's irresponsible pricing can do. Just by knocking 2p off a pint of milk can cost a farmer his living wage over the course of a year. Imagine being told you're going to work for a year and that work would be worthless because your product was being used as a loss leader to get the customer to spend their money on something else.

Capitalism and GREED at work, It's what people keep voting for and then whinge when it dosn't seem to suit.

UK out of the EU by 2018

is this your dream, a statement, fact, provocation..... Do you have any more pearlers?

Is this your assumption / wish / dream / hope ?

For your statement to have any gravitas, Article 50 would have to be invoked in the next few days, prior to the Supreme Court verdict in the new year.