Re: Segayaro : Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:46 pm  

DHM wrote:

Most important player on the pitch and you don't have two specialists? We have at least 6 back row forwards (more if you count Singleton and Cuthbertson who sometimes start at 13), but only one actual hooker?
Burrow is the problem. His ability to "fill in" for a spell at 9 and his now complete inability to play 7 has meant that to shoehorn him into the 17 we've not had a nine starting and one on the bench. Who would want to be the second hooker at Leeds? You'll never get a game.
When Aiton broke his arm last year we went from being virtually untouchable to a side running on empty, squeezing by the absolute narrowest of margins across the line for the LLS and the GF. Burrow can't play as starting hooker but while we have him he has to play 9, or backup 9 because he can't play 7 anymore.
Some might say that you don't discard players like Burrow while there are miles in the tank, but the disruption to squad planning over the last few years because of that has been significant.

Aiton broke his arm against Warrington, after that Burrow played 6 games,
Leeds Rhinos 25 - 18 Wigan Warriors
Hull FC 22 - 36 Leeds Rhinos
Hull KR 0 - 50 Leeds Rhinos CC Final
Huddersfield Giants 16 - 20 Leeds Rhinos
Leeds Rhinos 20 - 13 St Helens
Leeds Rhinos 22 - 20 Wigan Warriors

That isnt a side running on empty, thats a fantastic run.

Re: Segayaro : Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:49 pm  

and as I have said time and again, that's last season. 12 months older is he still as effective? not for me

Re: Segayaro : Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:03 pm  

He would have been just as effective if he had a decent front row and goal kciking stand off to play with.But alas...

Re: Segayaro : Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:05 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Aiton broke his arm against Warrington, after that Burrow played 6 games,
Leeds Rhinos 25 - 18 Wigan Warriors
Hull FC 22 - 36 Leeds Rhinos
Hull KR 0 - 50 Leeds Rhinos CC Final
Huddersfield Giants 16 - 20 Leeds Rhinos
Leeds Rhinos 20 - 13 St Helens
Leeds Rhinos 22 - 20 Wigan Warriors

That isnt a side running on empty, thats a fantastic run.

Take the CC final out of the equation because that was a cakewalk, KR froze. We had some shaky games before the Hudds. game mixed in with those other wins, to the point where after the defeat at home to Cas we looked shot. Phil Clarke said we wouldn't win a game for the rest of the season. Of course we somehow got the right side of those three games at the end of the year to complete the treble when all three looked gone towards the end by sheer will power and a few moments of individual brilliance, but we were certainly not the same dynamic, solid looking team after Aiton got injured.

Re: Segayaro : Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:11 pm  

Should point out that Burrow only started at hooker in those final three games. After Aiton's injury.....

Vs Wigan - Cuthbertson 'named' at 9, Burrow on bench
Vs Hull - Robbie Ward hooker, McGuire rested, Burrow in halves
Vs HKR (CCF) - Cuthbertson 'hooker', Burrow on bench
Vs Saints & Catalans - Cuthbertson 'hooker', Burrow out injured
Vs Cas - Lilley hooker, Burrow out injured

Vs Hudds, Saints and Wigan (GF) - Burrow at hooker.

Re: Segayaro : Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:42 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

and as I have said time and again, that's last season. 12 months older is he still as effective? not for me

No he hasnt been. But is that because his skills and physicality have diminished or because we as a side arent playing off the front foot as much?

Re: Segayaro : Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:47 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

Take the CC final out of the equation because that was a cakewalk, KR froze. We had some shaky games before the Hudds. game mixed in with those other wins, to the point where after the defeat at home to Cas we looked shot. Phil Clarke said we wouldn't win a game for the rest of the season. Of course we somehow got the right side of those three games at the end of the year to complete the treble when all three looked gone towards the end by sheer will power and a few moments of individual brilliance, but we were certainly not the same dynamic, solid looking team after Aiton got injured.

We were missing Burrow that game. We looked shot without both. With Burrow we set records in the CC, beat the team who finished second twice, beat the team who finished third, and the team who finished 4th.

To say that is a 'shot' team is crazy. It really was a fantastic run of results with Burrow as our primary hooker. I really dont understand this rewriting of history.

Re: Segayaro : Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:24 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

No he hasnt been. But is that because his skills and physicality have diminished or because we as a side arent playing off the front foot as much?

probably a bit of both

Re: Segayaro : Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:32 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

We were missing Burrow that game. We looked shot without both. With Burrow we set records in the CC, beat the team who finished second twice, beat the team who finished third, and the team who finished 4th.

To say that is a 'shot' team is crazy. It really was a fantastic run of results with Burrow as our primary hooker. I really dont understand this rewriting of history.

After winning the cup we lost the next 3 games, including a walloping against Catalans. Perhaps shot is the wrong way of putting it, but we weren't the same team. Basically, the team led by JP and Sinfield did what it had to do to get the job done at the end, credit to them. It was obvious though we needed a proper hooker and Falloon was a dud, the lack of quality in that area (not the only area granted) has stood out like a sore thumb for most of the year till Segeyaro arrived.

Again, i'm not bagging Burrow, he is brilliant at what he does but he holds the side back now as a unit if we are forced to play him as a regular nine. Just my opinion.

Re: Segayaro : Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:40 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

After winning the cup we lost the next 3 games, including a walloping against Catalans. Perhaps shot is the wrong way of putting it, but we weren't the same team. Basically, the team led by JP and Sinfield did what it had to do to get the job done at the end, credit to them. It was obvious though we needed a proper hooker and Falloon was a dud, the lack of quality in that area (not the only area granted) has stood out like a sore thumb for most of the year till Segeyaro arrived.

Again, i'm not bagging Burrow, he is brilliant at what he does but he holds the side back now as a unit if we are forced to play him as a regular nine. Just my opinion.

and I agree with you