: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:29 am  

If he's doing the job then there is no reason to not play him. You want your strongest 17 out there week in week out. For past precedent see Scruton in the GF team ahead of Burgess

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:54 am  

finglas wrote:

To free up cap space if there was a replacement available al;though we seem to have plenty of cap space anyway.

And that contract was signed four years ago when Smith had made only a handful of appearances in the first grade.

Loop wrote:

The fact that he's (probably) leaving suggests he doesn't want to play for us.

He's contracted for 2009 at Leeds. All that is happening is he is (probably) sorting out his plans for 2010 and beyond just the same as all the other players coming off contract this season will be doing.

There is an issue arising out of all this (if true) and that is, will Hetherington seek to cash in mid season by allowing Smith to leave for the RU pre season ala Vainikolo and Hape at Bradford?

Leeds' squad is already weaker (on numbers) this season than last as it is. If Smith were allowed to leave early then a bad situation gets worse without some much needed recruitment from somewhere.

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:01 am  

I would hope that if he is leaving that we actually keep hold of him for the rest of the season. Getting compo from Wasps would be nice, but we'd miss him more than we could be compensated with at this stage. Long term I have no issue with him leaving if its what he thinks is best for his career

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:23 am  

tvoc wrote:

And that contract was signed four years ago when Smith had made only a handful of appearances in the first grade.

I assume that the contract had stipulations about various levels of representation and would have thought an increase would kick in when he was selected for GB.

If not his selection for GB should have meant a re-negotiation of his contract. GH seems to be a stickler for the salary grades.

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:28 am  

Loop wrote:

The fact that he's (probably) leaving suggests he doesn't want to play for us.

When it gets nearer the start of the RU preseason we will see how his performances hold up, if they don't drop then all credit to the lad.

I guess I'm old school, if a player wants to leave then I don't want them here.

I'd rather give Watkins games over a player who has no long term future with us, in the long run that will benefit the club far more.

I remember you calling for Gareth Ellis to be dropped when he announced that he had signed for west’s last February.......You did didn't you?



*Sorry DISA, only just read page 19*

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:31 am  

If he goes he goes. But I think its seriously time for the RFL to sit down and think about how they can keep the best young RL players in RL.

Will we be due a fee if he goes?

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:37 am  

Tony Soprano wrote:

I remember you calling for Gareth Ellis to be dropped when he announced that he had signed for west’s last February.......You did didn't you?

No. that was a different situation, we knew he was staying till EoS and then had a decent break until he started his Aussie career.

Smith could well be off mid way through our season and if not he knows he will be beginning his new career straight after our season ..... he will do well not to let it effect him in any way.

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:37 am  

finglas wrote:

I assume that the contract had stipulations about various levels of representation and would have thought an increase would kick in when he was selected for GB.

If not his selection for GB should have meant a re-negotiation of his contract. GH seems to be a stickler for the salary grades.

England rather than GB but point taken otherwise. I still wonder if the upgrade would be a significant amount though with the salary cap making automatic upgrading difficult.

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:37 am  

tvoc wrote:

There is an issue arising out of all this (if true) and that is, will Hetherington seek to cash in mid season by allowing Smith to leave for the RU pre season ala Vainikolo and Hape at Bradford?

Leeds' squad is already weaker (on numbers) this season than last as it is. If Smith were allowed to leave early then a bad situation gets worse without some much needed recruitment from somewhere.

Bradford didn't cash on Hape. They released him early to save on the wage. Not sure whether they actually received an inducement for the Volcano either. It might have been reported as such, but no confirmation that it happend.

Only two that definately transfer fees were received for releasing early is Harris and Farrell. But maybe the Volcano also.

Cant see any logic in Leeds releasing Smith early this season, as cant see us receiving anything in exchange.

: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:39 am  

Loop wrote:

Smith could well be off mid way through our season and if not he knows he will be beginning his new career straight after our season ..... he will do well not to let it effect him in any way.

It didn't appear to effect Chev Walker's last season at Leeds.... ah I get your drift.