: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:17 pm  

vb1981 wrote:

Thought Wigan took care of Senior very well. Everytime he got the ball 3 or 4 Wigan players onto him striaght away. This obviously meant Hall wasnt gonna get as much ball as in previous games.

Wigan Leeds games are always 50 / 50 IMO. No-body expexted us to put 50 on them last time out @ the JJB.

Yes, that's probably the quietest game for Keef in a while, and as you say completely nullified our left side. Once again Nobby has tactically got it right.

Gotta raise my hat to Donald for his determination in finishing his try.

That beard will have to go though!

: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:41 pm  

batleyrhino wrote:

Mate, if I were a Bulls fan, I'd have been swinging from the bannister with a sheet around my neck long before now. You have my deepest sympathy.

Tried that. Stupid "Bullman and Bullboy" novelty sheet ripped right in half...bloody club can't get anything right nowdays...

: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:49 pm  

batleyrhino wrote:

For the first time since the introduction of RL on Sky I turned the game off with 10 mins to go in disgust at the second half performance of Leeds. Wigan were magnificent and showed how to play the game, whilst Leeds looked like a poor collection of individuals.

So who is responsible for this shambolic performance? Well the players have to take their fair share of the blame, with only Buderus coming out of tonight with any real credit. He's by far our best player and sadly it looks like he might have picked up a serious injury. We are simply not the same outfit (I don't feel I want to use the word team) without him on the pitch.

Having said that about the players what about the Coach. A coach has the biggest impact in the pre match speech and at half time, just what did McClennan say to the Leeds players at half time??? We were already on the slide during the latter stages of the first half, but the second half was appauling.

During the whole game Leeds completion rate was terrible for a "top" team, and our discipline was woeful. All this months after it was identified as a priority "fix" by our esteemed coach.

IMHO we have been papering over the cracks in recent weeks by scraping home in games which we should have won in much more comfortable fashion.

If coaches judge their success on performance rather than results then our current incumbent must be waiting for his P45 after a season full of disappointment.

It will be interesting to see if he is "rewarded" with a contract extension going into the final year of his current deal...

IIRC you had a similar hissy fit just prior to the 2007 GF.

Chill, whilst I agree with what you say about the coach it was 2 league points. Wigan have beaten us at this stage before now and been dispatched when the playoffs come.

Having said that if grinning slaphead doesn't sort out the discipline I will happily help you throw him under the bus.

: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:01 am  

batleyrhino wrote:

For the first time since the introduction of RL on Sky I turned the game off with 10 mins to go in disgust at the second half performance of Leeds. Wigan were magnificent and showed how to play the game, whilst Leeds looked like a poor collection of individuals.

So who is responsible for this shambolic performance? Well the players have to take their fair share of the blame, with only Buderus coming out of tonight with any real credit. He's by far our best player and sadly it looks like he might have picked up a serious injury. We are simply not the same outfit (I don't feel I want to use the word team) without him on the pitch.

Having said that about the players what about the Coach. A coach has the biggest impact in the pre match speech and at half time, just what did McClennan say to the Leeds players at half time??? We were already on the slide during the latter stages of the first half, but the second half was appauling.

During the whole game Leeds completion rate was terrible for a "top" team, and our discipline was woeful. All this months after it was identified as a priority "fix" by our esteemed coach.

IMHO we have been papering over the cracks in recent weeks by scraping home in games which we should have won in much more comfortable fashion.

If coaches judge their success on performance rather than results then our current incumbent must be waiting for his P45 after a season full of disappointment.

It will be interesting to see if he is "rewarded" with a contract extension going into the final year of his current deal...

The team is joint top of the table so not sure what more McClennan can do given the troops at his disposal.

The Senior players have to take a big chunk of the blame

Sinfield's attempt at a tackle for the first 2 Wigan trys was shambolic - embarassing is probably more apt. Senior's first half display was woeful and his offload at the start of the 2nd half which turned the game was stupid. The penalties given away by McGuire and JJB - unacceptable

Penalties - we are simply dumb with some we give away - Ali's when we had the pressure was unforgiveable

McClennan - I am his biggest fan but selecting 17 and only playing 16 is just ridiculous - taking Buderus off when we had the game controlled was also a big mistake IMO - Diskin is a very poor substitute

We lost it happens - we will still finish top 2

: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:07 am  

Serge A. Storms wrote:

The team is joint top of the table so not sur what more McClennan can do given the troops at his disposal.

The Senior players have to take a big chunk of the blame

Sinfield's attempt at a tackle for the first 2 Wigan trys was shambolic - embarassing is probably more apt. Senior's first half display was woeful and his offload at the start of the 2nd half which turned the game was stupid. The penalties given away by McGuire and JJB - unacceptable

Penalties - we are simply dumb with some we give away - Ali's when we had the pressure was unforgiveable

McClennan - I am his biggest fan but selecting 17 and only playing 16 is just ridiculous - taking Buderus off when we had the game controlled was also a big mistake IMO - Diskin is a very poor substitute

We lost it happens - we will still finish top 2

Other than the first few and last few words, and changing a few names and deleting "biggest fan", what you have just written could have been written about most Bradford games this season.

The difference is those first and last words.

You are complaining about precisely what we have been complaining about. Yet you are 2nd and we are 12th. Suggests maybe some of you are falling into the same trap Bulls fans did - of always expecting to win and win well? Bulls regularly used to win games without playing well - and sometimes we would lose them to a team who played better. I'd suggest you have a long way worse to get before you need to really start worrying!

: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:06 am  

Adeybull wrote:

Tried that. Stupid "Bullman and Bullboy" novelty sheet ripped right in half...bloody club can't get anything right nowdays...

I don't know why, but the "Bullman and Bullboy" novelty sheet immediately made me think of Morecambe and Wise christmas specials when they both shared the same bed.

: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:08 am  

Adeybull wrote:

Tried that. Stupid "Bullman and Bullboy" novelty sheet ripped right in half...bloody club can't get anything right nowdays...

I don't know why, but the "Bullman and Bullboy" novelty sheet immediately made me think of Morecambe and Wise christmas specials when they both shared the same bed.

: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:09 am  

Adeybull wrote:

You are complaining about precisely what we have been complaining about. Yet you are 2nd and we are 12th. Suggests maybe some of you are falling into the same trap Bulls fans did - of always expecting to win and win well? Bulls regularly used to win games without playing well - and sometimes we would lose them to a team who played better. I'd suggest you have a long way worse to get before you need to really start worrying!

Sums it up perfectly.

: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:16 am  

Adeybull wrote:

You are complaining about precisely what we have been complaining about. Yet you are 2nd and we are 12th. Suggests maybe some of you are falling into the same trap Bulls fans did - of always expecting to win and win well? Bulls regularly used to win games without playing well - and sometimes we would lose them to a team who played better. I'd suggest you have a long way worse to get before you need to really start worrying!

Obviously I can't speak for others, but I don't expect to win each game, in truth I expect to see us improve throughout the season to peak for the big games. This season we have continuously made the same fundamental errors (ball control and discipline) all year with very little improvement.

I expect performance, results are secondary and will look after themselves if the performance is right.

: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:27 am  

We should NEVER take Buderus off, just about every time he has been subbed off in recent weeks we collapse, he comes back on we escape. He went his entire Aussie career playing 80 mins but now we decide to spell him for Disko? Sadly it doesn't look like we'll have any option as the injury looked bad.

Wigan always beat us once a season but not when it really matters (P.Offs, CC etc)