Re: 2020 | Next captain? : Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:20 am  

Fallon wrote:

I'm not sure it really matters who is named captain.

What we need is for the players as a group to stand up and be accountable for their actions and support each other.

A few years ago sinny may have been the captain but the team was full of leaders and players who were accountable to each other. We need to get back to this.

It is vitally important, playing it down is ridiculous. We have failed with it since Sinfield retired, and but for one year shown what a disaster it is.

Sinfield was the leader of this club for years, and without that we would never have seen the era we had. This nonsense about leadership groups is just that, nonsense. It is a team game and needs great players to support, but you never underestimate the influence of a captain who set the lead, sets the example, and inspires others.

Re: 2020 | Next captain? : Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:27 am  

Or have we failed miserably since Sinfield retired because the team was nowhere as good.

Sinfield certainly created the culture and discipline at the club at that time but team was full of leaders at that time that it sadly lacks now.

Re: 2020 | Next captain? : Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:20 am  

The squad now is unrecognizable to what it was only two years ago ,and it was changing even then . Hopefully new leaders not just Capt will emerge

Re: 2020 | Next captain? : Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:23 am  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

Or have we failed miserably since Sinfield retired because the team was nowhere as good.

Sinfield certainly created the culture and discipline at the club at that time but team was full of leaders at that time that it sadly lacks now.

And none of those so called "leaders" would have achieved the same without Sinfield.

Re: 2020 | Next captain? : Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:11 am  

Gotcha wrote:

And none of those so called "leaders" would have achieved the same without Sinfield.

Im sure they wouldnt but would Sinfield have won as much without JP?

Re: 2020 | Next captain? : Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:49 am  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

Im sure they wouldnt but would Sinfield have won as much without JP?

Yes I think he would, as long as there was a team member doing that work rate in support.

Re: 2020 | Next captain? : Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:29 am  

Not easy to find those tho Gotcha.

Re: 2020 | Next captain? : Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:03 pm  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

Not easy to find those tho Gotcha.

Not saying it is. But I am confident in saying there have been plenty of teams won very little or nothing at all, with better players individually than we had during that period. But it was the leadership of Sinfield that brought the best out of it, and that was the important factor.

Re: 2020 | Next captain? : Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:55 pm  

Leadership groups are a fantastic idea and essential to the modern game where players hold all the bargaining power.

Just look at us now, merrin, a guy who has been here a year is our only viable captain alternative. Why? Because we have no leadership group, just one player, and as we all know and are seeing, players can leave at any time.

We need a strong group of players overall but within that a number who are leaders so if a player leaves or suffers a serious injury the team on the pitch is not left rudderless exactly like we have been since sinny, JP, Mags etc.. left.

To think that we just need one guy who is fit to wear the armband is naive.

Re: 2020 | Next captain? : Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:26 pm  

Fallon wrote:

Leadership groups are a fantastic idea and essential to the modern game where players hold all the bargaining power.

Just look at us now, merrin, a guy who has been here a year is our only viable captain alternative. Why? Because we have no leadership group, just one player, and as we all know and are seeing, players can leave at any time.

We need a strong group of players overall but within that a number who are leaders so if a player leaves or suffers a serious injury the team on the pitch is not left rudderless exactly like we have been since sinny, JP, Mags etc.. left.

To think that we just need one guy who is fit to wear the armband is naive.

Merrin was here last season, and wasn't made captain until near the end of the season. Had our natural player not been injured, he would probably have been made captain. We have also signed the PNG captain, and the Castleford Captain, and have a further natural leader if he got a starting role in Smith. Merrin is captain because he is also a natural leader with a wealth of know how. It has nothing to do with no one else available.

But you appoint one man and one man only, otherwise you get division and not all following the same path. Leadership groups are a fad of nonsense.