Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:18 pm  

We have 3 injury prone second rowers. Ferres is on a huge contract at Giants, but he can't stay there for (ahem) reasons relating to extra curricular activities. So, should we take Ferres on loan for a year? Yes we should. He was excellent against NZ, and all I'm bothered about as a Rhinos fan is that the players give 100% everytime they put on the blue & amber.

Would you have him at Leeds? If not, why not? Please don't use the excuse regarding Huby's missus. These guys are not holier than thou.

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:39 pm  

He's a very good player. If everything else could be worked out to the satisfaction of the management I'd be happy to have him.

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:41 pm  

Stevosfalseteeth wrote:

Would you have him at Leeds? If not, why not? Please don't use the excuse regarding Huby's missus. These guys are not holier than thou.

Why should we ignore something so incredibly serious? If he'd cheated on his wife with a random that's one thing, but he broke an absolute rule - you do not do screw your team mates partner. Full stop, end of story. These guys go out every week and put their bodies on the line for each other, if you can't trust him to do something as simple as not put his penis in your wife how can you trust him to have your back when the chips are down?

A thousand times no. We win because we are a team and he clearly has no idea of what that really means.

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:50 pm  

G1 wrote:

He's a very good player. If everything else could be worked out to the satisfaction of the management I'd be happy to have him.

Yep.In no way condoning what he has done, but that is for him, his family and others to sort in thier own privacy now.From a rugby stand point if it is deemed he would improve us, which i think he would, then get him.I will probably get shot down for having that view but hey ho.

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:09 pm  

Big Jim Slade wrote:

Why should we ignore something so incredibly serious? If he'd cheated on his wife with a random that's one thing, but he broke an absolute rule - you do not do screw your team mates partner. Full stop, end of story. These guys go out every week and put their bodies on the line for each other, if you can't trust him to do something as simple as not put his penis in your wife how can you trust him to have your back when the chips are down?

A thousand times no. We win because we are a team and he clearly has no idea of what that really means.

This ^^^^^^
SFT!
It wasn't just a team mate he betrayed he was his best man FFS all this "but he had a good series & all you care about is what happens in a Rhinos shirt" is totally underestimating the effect/impact of Team Harmony and 100% trust amongst the squad.
He's crossed the line wrt his betrayal and if that's good enough for the Giants to ditch him it should be good enough for us not to touch him with a barge pole.

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:15 pm  

rhinoms wrote:

This ^^^^^^
SFT!
It wasn't just a team mate he betrayed he was his best man FFS all this "but he had a good series & all you care about is what happens in a Rhinos shirt" is totally underestimating the effect/impact of Team Harmony and 100% trust amongst the squad.
He's crossed the line wrt his betrayal and if that's good enough for the Giants to ditch him it should be good enough for us not to touch him with a barge pole.

This

Leeds' success has been built on stupendous unmatched 'teamwork' .....it's a formula that should not be ignored for the sake of an individual that might indeed be better as an "individual" rather than as a much more valuable mutually trusted team member.

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:08 pm  

Oh please. The amount of people that actually believe the "Rhinos family" nonsense. There will be players who don't get on with one another. Like any other work place. Sheringham and Cole hated each other at man utd. But they won the treble.

Ferres is a brilliant second rower. I don't care a toss what he does outside the 80 minutes he plays rugby. And neither should you!

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:33 pm  

Stevosfalseteeth wrote:

Oh please. The amount of people that actually believe the "Rhinos family" nonsense. There will be players who don't get on with one another. Like any other work place. Sheringham and Cole hated each other at man utd. But they won the treble.

Ferres is a brilliant second rower. I don't care a toss what he does outside the 80 minutes he plays rugby. And neither should you!

And the prize for completely underestimating just how important team work and team ethic has been to the Leeds Rhinos for the past decade goes to you. Bravo. Your lack of understanding of why this might be an issue is quite something to behold.

Yes, there will be players who don't get on with one another and if they're not professional enough to get passed that one or both will be gone. That's all true and I have no issue with that.

As for not caring what they do outside the 80 minutes? Well as they are always a representative of Leeds Rhinos I actually care quite a lot. If they do drugs I don't want them at the club. If they're cruel to animals I don't want them at the club. If they habitually beat people up I don't want them at the club. And if they have so little respect for all of their team mates that they're willing to completely shatter the vital bond and trust that is vital to any successful team by betraying a team mate in just about the worst way possible then I don't want them at the club.

Why would you want someone at the club who you categorically can not trust? Because he's a slightly better than average second rower?

I'm glad that the standards the club sets are closer to mine than to yours which are clearly in the gutter.

Genuine question, would you work with someone who shagged your wife/someone you thought was a likely candidate to try to? And if you would - and I suspect you would - would you put your body on the line for him in the same way you would for someone who you knew would smash anyone who would betray you in such a fashion?

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:39 pm  

if Ferres slept with his best mates mrs and his best mate didn't happen to play in the same team as him he would still be a Huddersfield player and apart from people saying what a prat there wouldn't be much else said.

Re: Ferres to Roosters falls through. : Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:47 pm  

What Big Jim Slade said.

It really depends on what kind of person Ferres really is.
Is he an &rsehole or is a regular guy who made a mistake (admittedly a pretty bloody huge one).
I'm 100% behind the team ethic and I know Leeds are very keen to find out what kind of person a player is before they sign them. It's not just playing ability that is factored into decisions.

Players and coaches who've interacted with Ferres will know (as much as you ever can) what he's like.

If the club determine he'd fit in with our way of doing things and that the recent incident is an aberration and not a true indicator of his personality then I'm all for us signing him. He's a very good player and would fill a role for us.

However, if they can't fully satisfy themselves of this, then I would be against us signing him, regardless of how good a player he is.

In the end perfectly decent people can do pretty sh|tty things and make horrific mistakes but still be decent people.
Or they could be &rseholes. It depends what category Ferres falls into.