Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:17 pm  

DILLIGAF wrote:

I'm not so sure where I fall on this. Whilst I agree that on the face of it a massive blunder has been made by the RFL in picking this particular chairman, I'm not sure how much blame falls at their feet for what's happened. How much can you really know about a person before they perform the act? Sure there were some warning signs there, but presumably there were also some indications that they may do something right, otherwise why would they possibly have gone down that route in the first place.

It kind of reminds me of a situation a few years back when an ex work colleague of mine died. Whilst looking up funeral proceedings on the internet, we discovered that actually he had a past before we worked with him that made him very much not a nice man. Without going into detail of what he did, it was bad enough that he only escaped jail time because he appeared to be terminal at the time (he ended up at least temporarily beating that diagnosis). I worked with him for years never knowing about the past and before it was discovered, I would have swore blind he was a lovely chap. Since presumably his past wasn't known about when he was hired, should the people that hired him be lambasted for doing so, even though they clearly didn't know what he was? I don't think they should.
Different situation I know, but when people are saying the RFL should take the blame, it just reminds me of that event. Which is why I'm not sure where my opinion sits on it.

On a one off situation you are correct. But when the should have been policing salary cap breaches we carried out, agreeing to register Harris as a player which was subsequently found out to be illegal, Hood's massive overspend, followed by fit and proper person checks on Greene (twice?) and Chalmers then they would seem a little inept. They have given rise to a new saying however. "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, shame on me. Fool me four times, shame on me again ad nauseum"

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:28 pm  

rugbyreddog wrote:

On a one off situation you are correct. But when the should have been policing salary cap breaches we carried out, agreeing to register Harris as a player which was subsequently found out to be illegal, Hood's massive overspend, followed by fit and proper person checks on Greene (twice?) and Chalmers then they would seem a little inept. They have given rise to a new saying however. "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, shame on me. Fool me four times, shame on me again ad nauseum"

You also missed the often over looked consortium that was going to buy off OK. Who allegedly forced admin 2 on RFL advice( how true this is I don’t know) but then walked away for reasons that have never been explained

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:32 pm  

paulwalker71 wrote:

(3 years of pension contributions suggests so).

Where did the 3 years bit come from? As we were a new company in Jan 2017, we had to start enrolling people in the workplace pension from Jan 2018, didn't we? So the maximum pension screwup is about 20months?

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:33 pm  

Godiswithers wrote:

You also missed the often over looked consortium that was going to buy off OK. Who allegedly forced admin 2 on RFL advice( how true this is I don’t know) but then walked away for reasons that have never been explained

That was true. AS for walking away, they were due to sign up for the club when the RFL parachuted Greene in with Steve Ferres as babysitter.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:37 pm  

Highlander wrote:

Where did the 3 years bit come from? As we were a new company in Jan 2017, we had to start enrolling people in the workplace pension from Jan 2018, didn't we? So the maximum pension screwup is about 20months?

I'll stand corrected, as I know nothing about that really

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:40 pm  

Is anybody else waiting for Robbie Paul to come out of the shower and find the last 10 years have been a dream.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:42 pm  

DILLIGAF wrote:

These situations always bring out the liars. You would think we have enough experience by now to take everyone who claims to have insider knowledge with a whole salt shaker, never mind a pinch. And yet still the stirring and attention seeking gets people talking.
There's only one person who claims any insider knowledge on here that I ever believe and that's Roger, largely because he has backed everything up in the past and only passes on information he knows to be accurate and he is able to share. Anyone else claiming knowledge, remember your salt folks and try not to get wound up. If you want to put energies into this, I'd suggest just hoping something gets sorted that those who want a club still have it, and those who have been shafted with pensions or unpaid bills get their money.

Thank you. I sure people on here know when there is things I can’t say and had to hold back a bit since last weekend but now more stuff is out in the open and I’m so glad Ross said exactly how it is on Robbies show the other night

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:01 pm  

Right, apologise if this is a bit long winded and apologise for this been from a purely personal point of view.

Elliot was born in 1996, first year of super league. I can remember when he was a baby he had a baby grow which said “born to be a Bull” for that to come true, well, words can’t fully explain. All he ever wanted as kid was to play for the Bulls, he went to all the grand finals as a young kid, mad about the club.
When he signed 2 year ago it was his dream come true, which in turn made my dream come true. To think now that some thieving b%stard has now ruined all that is absolutely disgusting. Anger, bitterness, don’t even come close to how I’m feeling.
He’s vice captain and when Steve doesn’t play or goes off in a game, Elliot is captain on the field. For a lifelong Bulls/Northern fan it doesn’t get any better than watching your son captain your team. I reckon he’s done ok in the 2 years he’s been at the Bulls. It has been said, by someone who’s opinion Elliot really does value, that he’s never seen anybody give as much or it means as much to play for your own team, the team you support.
About this time last year I was in Benidorm and it was announced Elliot had signed a 3 year deal. I really was overwhelmed with the comments on here, on the Facebook groups, messages I received, it was unbelievably overwhelming. I go to Benidorm again soon, what a bleeding difference 12 months make.
All thanks to someone. Hope they are really proud of what they have done and the consequences it causing.
Let’s hope someone ends up in court over all this and pays for ruining people’s dreams
Rant over

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:25 pm  

Highlander wrote:

Where did the 3 years bit come from? As we were a new company in Jan 2017, we had to start enrolling people in the workplace pension from Jan 2018, didn't we? So the maximum pension screwup is about 20months?

Jan '18 is the latest date by which it had to be done not the date at which it necessarily was.

Re: Bulls Takeover : Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:18 pm  

Mr Dog wrote:

A little clue, see if you can work it out for yourself: entering a CVA is classed an 'insolvency event'.

Yes, but in most sports as far as we are aware a CVA does not mean any resulting points deduction. For example, look at recent events at Yorkshire Carnegie in the world of rugby union. Given that they appear to be a law to themselves, not sure what would be the situation with the dear old RFL.