Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:54 pm  

Well, normally I would criticise such cheating as that which reduced Liverpool to 10 men tonight but I now realise that any sport that gets a bigger crowd in any circumstance than RL cannot be criticised.

The fact the sport gets such crowds shows that nothing whatsoever is wrong with it and so any criticism of it is only from bitter, prejudiced, people who live in depressing northern towns.

Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:40 pm  

goobervision wrote:

Look to France in the Second World War for an example of RU persecution of RL.

HOUSE!

goobervision wrote:

Tacking is light and any real collision is lacking.

Go to the tube site we don't link to and type in The Crowd Goes Wild - Smashed em Bro Special. Admittedly its Samoa, but still....hardly what you call light.

Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:02 am  

gutterfax wrote:

HOUSE!
Go to the tube site we don't link to and type in The Crowd Goes Wild - Smashed em Bro Special. Admittedly its Samoa, but still....hardly what you call light.

So I assume that history doesn't make any sense to you in terms of explaining some of the attitudes of the RL crowd in relation to the RU sport? I would have though you may have taken the time to understand the problematic history that stretches all the way back to the very reasons the split happened rather than a pointless comment.

Your reference material could do with some work, going to an international where Samoa are much bigger than The Wallabies and presenting a few (often after the ball has gone) tackles that I would and do see in a typical club level RL game isn't exactly proving your point. Number one on the list is a great example of a hospital pass though.

Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:04 am  

Him wrote:

Well, normally I would criticise such cheating as that which reduced Liverpool to 10 men tonight but I now realise that any sport that gets a bigger crowd in any circumstance than RL cannot be criticised.

The fact the sport gets such crowds shows that nothing whatsoever is wrong with it and so any criticism of it is only from bitter, prejudiced, people who live in depressing northern towns.

Clear gouging of a players eye, must lead to a very lengthy ban... However, what was that flailing arm about? And the player flapping on the floor needs a word in his ear, utter tripe.

Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:06 am  

gutterfax wrote: I see Sir Ian McGeechan thinks that Sams Tackling technique could be a problem, as it's not always about "the hit".. I'd take on board what he says given he is one of the most successful Northern Hemisphere Union coaches of all time.....I think he even got Scotland a Grand Slam Good example of how the RU dominated media overlook Sam Burges for recognition, again.

gutterfax wrote: I see Sir Ian McGeechan thinks that Sams Tackling technique could be a problem, as it's not always about "the hit".. I'd take on board what he says given he is one of the most successful Northern Hemisphere Union coaches of all time.....I think he even got Scotland a Grand Slam Good example of how the RU dominated media overlook Sam Burges for recognition, again.

Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:53 am  

"Please try to be a bit softer in the tackle Sam, you're too tough for us."

McGeechan's got a lot to say for himself given that Sam Burgess has apparently only had to make three tackles so far for his RU club. And one of those it looks like that petrified guy tried to sit down when he saw Burgess coming at him

Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:57 am  

To blame all RL failings on other people or what happened decades ago are just excuses, RLs shrinking footprint is hardly ever blamed on RFL incompetence and yet is the primary reason {though even if RL started to attract masses of new fans, Tre Cool would only deride them as not being real fans} You don't see this type of self-pitying thread on any other sporting forum, just regularly on RL ones.

Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:34 pm  

galliant wrote:

To blame all RL failings on other people or what happened decades ago are just excuses, RLs shrinking footprint is hardly ever blamed on RFL incompetence and yet is the primary reason {though even if RL started to attract masses of new fans, Tre Cool would only deride them as not being real fans} You don't see this type of self-pitying thread on any other sporting forum, just regularly on RL ones.

Don't talk rubbish, the RFL gets heaps of criticism and blame, far more then ru.

And where did I say new RL fans aren't real ones?

I was just making the point that just because ru gets huge international crowds it doesn't mean it has this awesome fanbase that loves the game. Don't twist people's words to suit your sweeping statements.

Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:11 pm  

galliant wrote:

To blame all RL failings on other people or what happened decades ago are just excuses, RLs shrinking footprint is hardly ever blamed on RFL incompetence and yet is the primary reason {though even if RL started to attract masses of new fans, Tre Cool would only deride them as not being real fans} You don't see this type of self-pitying thread on any other sporting forum, just regularly on RL ones.

Oh hello, Dutoni's back.

Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:16 pm  

Wooden Stand wrote:

"Please try to be a bit softer in the tackle Sam, you're too tough for us."

McGeechan's got a lot to say for himself given that Sam Burgess has apparently only had to make three tackles so far for his RU club. And one of those it looks like that petrified guy tried to sit down when he saw Burgess coming at him

Yes, that's exactly what McGeechan's saying. No, really it is.

Tackling in Union has a slightly different objective to League. It's an opportunity to compete for the ball and win possession, either by turning the ball carrier so he's facing the wrong way or standing him up in a "choke" tackle and preventing the ball getting to ground, thereby winning your side the put-in at the scrum.

Simply smashing someone as hard as you can - assuming it's done legally, using the arms rather than as a shoulder charge - and taking him to the floor isn't always the most effective tackling technique in Union. If Burgess runs around a Union pitch just lining people up to smash them, he's not necessarily going to be doing the best possible job for his team.

Given his record, I'm going to go with McGeechan and my interpretation rather than yours, if that's ok?