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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:57 pm  
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the police are having to look into it because of the number of complaints they received.

What, none?
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the police are having to look into it because of the number of complaints they received.

What, none?
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:58 pm  
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:59 pm  
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What, none?

Funny I'm sure BBC radio said they had! But, if they are saying not then so be it.
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Funny I'm sure BBC radio said they had! But, if they are saying not then so be it.
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:15 pm  
"KNOCK PEOPLE OUT!" barks a furious Wigan coach Shaun Wane

"I can't give you any more of a free reign than that. Be reckless because that's what is going to get us the f****** win next week! Is everybody clear on that?"
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:18 pm  
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"KNOCK PEOPLE OUT!" barks a furious Wigan coach Shaun Wane

"I can't give you any more of a free reign than that. Be reckless because that's what is going to get us the f****** win next week! Is everybody clear on that?"


Depends what he meant by be "reckless" I suppose. At first I assumed he meant physically when "defending". But, could he have meant chucking the ball about when they had it? If the latter, it makes a lot of difference.
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:19 pm  
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"KNOCK PEOPLE OUT!" barks a furious Wigan coach Shaun Wane

"I can't give you any more of a free reign than that. Be reckless because that's what is going to get us the f****** win next week! Is everybody clear on that?"

Yep. Wane has to shoulder some of the blame. A serious incident has been coming for a while.
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:21 pm  
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Yep. Wane has to shoulder some of the blame. A serious incident has been coming for a while.


To be fair, I'd be equally interested to hear what was in Nathan Brown's team-talk. Saints came out swinging in the open set - Masoe in particular. Indeed, that Wigan were in the field position they were at the time of the Flower incident is down to Saints giving away a penalty for a cheap high shot.
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:30 pm  
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To be fair, I'd be equally interested to hear what was in Nathan Brown's team-talk. Saints came out swinging in the open set - Masoe in particular. Indeed, that Wigan were in the field position they were at the time of the Flower incident is down to Saints giving away a penalty for a cheap high shot.

True, but they weren't worked up beyond the point of losing control. Wane has been getting his players to a high emotional state week on week, it's been obvious in the way they play. So in the biggest, most emotional game of the year one of them cracked and crossed the line. I'm not excusing Flower at all, he bears 99% of the blame. But I think a smidge of the blame can be attributed to the way he coaches his players.

Don't get me wrong, I've begrudgingly admired Wigan's aggression in defence. It livens up a game that is sorely missing talking points like big hits/shoulder charges and modern defences that don't allow offloads. But then they step over the line from aggressive defence to things I don't like such as twisting legs in tackles, cannonballs and taking players out off the ball.

It's no surprise to me that one of the younger, less experienced players has stepped well over the line in the most highly charged game of Wigan's highly charged season.
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Re: Ben Flower : Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:34 pm  
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"KNOCK PEOPLE OUT!" barks a furious Wigan coach Shaun Wane

"I can't give you any more of a free reign than that. Be reckless because that's what is going to get us the f****** win next week! Is everybody clear on that?"

You ever played the game? I was hearing things like this from the age of ten. And NOBODY ever thought the coach was being literal.
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