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: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:48 pm  
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On the last Ashes Tour over here, we lost two games narrowly. Frustrating, but you felt that we were close, and a psychological difference was probaly what split the sides more than huge amounts of talent. Since then, we've gone backwards fast in relation to the Aussies. Every single man on that Aussie team was beter than his opposite number. 5 years ago, a sensible pundit could suggest half a dozen Brits who would get into the Aussie side. This year, maybe Peacock as a second-row grunt. Maybe.

The situation in our backline from 1-7 is atrocious. I hate how old this makes me sound, but I've been watching rugby for 25 years now, and I have never seen a set of backs so utterly devoid of world class talent. Compared to Newlove, Davies, Offiah, Gibbs, Connolly, Radlinski in his pomp, Edwards, Goulding etc this lot are woeful. Everyone over 30 will recognise how dire it is that I can say this confidently, but if Alan Hunte was playing now, he'd be the best winger in this country by such a distance that Stevo would be tossing off over him. Sculthorpe and Farrell had their detractors (usually wearing either Wigan or Saints shirts), but they were beter backs than any of our lads on this tour, and they were actually both forwards.


I'm old enough to remember when we had players who (Offiah excepted) were better than the ones you listed. In the era you have highlighted Connolly was a key figure - Oz used to rip us apart through the centres then Connolly came along and was rock solid on one side. He was the most important member of the team in that era. Although he did receive some acknowledement it wasn't as great as it should have been.
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Re: Should Tony Smith Go? : Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:51 pm  
The Curtism wrote:
Should he?


Should he Go and will he go are completely different things.

Should He? Yes
Will He? I personally dont think so
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: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:53 pm  
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A lock being a physically strong extra back?

WTF!


Did you ever see someone like Steve Norton? There's a great clip of him on that video sharing site that shall not be named. You may see what I mean.
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: Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:44 pm  
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I agree - Kear did a fantastic job of motivating the England team in the 2000 world cup - at least he kept England's record defeat to less than 50 points, eh? :roll:

was you at bolton?

home venue =10pts?

how many of todays are upto playing for england/
why did we play with no game plain = kicking, subs, hocker, and stand off
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: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:09 pm  
The last world cup semi between wales and australia at huddersfield proved that pride in your shirt goes along way.wales led the aussies by 16 pts at h.t.Wales were mostly part timers with even a player from Swinton on the team sheet. guts and determination put the fear of god into the aussies whose full-time fitness and a lot of help from Russel Smith finally saw them move into the final.but there again wales had a organiser at half-back.England dont posses one.
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: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:20 pm  
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Yes, get rid. This world cup has seen some of the worst Eng/GB performances I've ever seen.


Its the worst Ive ever seen
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: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:32 pm  
For me it's simple.

The reason we are so far from the Aussies is because there aren't enough quality players.

The reason we failed to compete with either Aus or NZ so spectacularly is because of Smith.

Yes, he should go.
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: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:35 pm  
The Chronicler of Chiswic wrote:
According to Ceefax Richard Lewis has given TS the dreaded vote of confidence - start on those CVs now, everyone!


The self assessment has to include everyone involved in this major failure.
The Players, Smith, The RFL and Lewis who after all is the captain of the fleet.

Heads out of sand time.
Time for honest, stark, frank assessment from top to bottom of the British game.
The rebuilding should begin tomorrow morning in the departure terminal at Brisbane Airport and only end when we are able to field quality British players throughout all our leagues.
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: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:40 pm  
Smith has to fall on his sword, he picked the squad, the squad got battered every game (I know we beat PNG.... only just)

He picks players on past reputation, the players only looked up for the fight ONCE in the whole tourament (when Wilkin had a little bit of handbags)

English coach for England... Ellery Hanley
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: Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:12 pm  
Shawy wrote:
Smith has to fall on his sword, he picked the squad, the squad got battered every game (I know we beat PNG.... only just)

He picks players on past reputation, the players only looked up for the fight ONCE in the whole tourament (when Wilkin had a little bit of handbags)

English coach for England... Ellery Hanley

:roll:
He picked the form players from the form teams and other than 1 or 2 almost every fan agreed with the squad selected.
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