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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:34 am  
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Offside Monkey makes a really good point about the amateur game in the 2 sports.
It's a huge recruiter for the international and event games in Union. The reason it is is that the amateur game in Union has much stronger links to the sport itself but also its more inclusive. It allows people to keep playing and so keep involved in the sport.

If we want to do the same we have to make some big changes in our amateur game.
First and foremost we have to make it much less confrontational, much less about violence & intimidation and much more about enjoyment and inclusivity.
I don't play, partly due to lack of fitness, but mainly due to the fact I simply don't enjoy being around a bunch of violent, intimidating, swearing, aggressive people, many of whom have either been or are one step away from jail.
That's obviously a generalisation and doesn't apply to all, but it sadly applies to far too many of RL's open age amateur players.
We need a purge of these kind of people from our sport. And it's not just players. Coaches and club officials are too often the same.

Even if we do that, the nature of open age RL is still very physical so it will rule out a lot of people who don't fancy it. So we need Touch RL teams and leagues. Far, far more than currently. It can be our 5-a-side football. And it involves people in the sport.
On the same theme we need far more girls and women's teams. Am I right in saying that from Year 7 onwards girls can't play in the same team as boys?
Whilst we start to see a drop off from boys as well at this time I'm sure there must be plenty of girls who want to carry on playing RL but can't or don't because of the lack of girls teams.

We then need a much stronger link between the amateur clubs and both their local pro clubs and the governing body/national side.

The amateur game is a huge gateway to the sport for both young people and adults, and too often it's closed to far too many people.


Agree with this. Amateur R.L is a more intimidating enviroment since i stopped playing over 20 years ago. Even at some of the junior games where some of the parents/spectators act like unruley mobs baying for blood.

I have also seen some local club union games,and despite the action on the pitch the spectators seem better behaved and more friendly.
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:14 am  
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I'm not sure what you read when you look at posts, but that's not what he said. He said we should use more spin when it comes to promoting our game.


Re-read his post and tell me it's English.....
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:40 am  
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Agree with this. Amateur R.L is a more intimidating enviroment since i stopped playing over 20 years ago. Even at some of the junior games where some of the parents/spectators act like unruley mobs baying for blood.

I have also seen some local club union games,and despite the action on the pitch the spectators seem better behaved and more friendly.

Yep. I've said before on here but it's why I stopped playing League and started playing Union.

Now I am a bit of a soft lump but we have to realise that most people DONT actually enjoy large amounts of heavy contact and most people certainly don't enjoy the fights and/or intimidation.
I went to Union and thoroughly enjoyed it. There was enough contact without people going over the top or trying to prove how hard they were. The vast majority just wanted to enjoy playing sport.

As a result they had plenty of kids teams and 4 adults open age teams plus a colts. I still occasionally turn out for their 3rds team despite my appalling fitness!
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:25 pm  
IME of playing league in the South the OTT violence on the pitch and even the goings on off the pitch is vastly different to that in the North.
I was connected with St.Albans Centurions for quite a long time and even at the highest level of the amateur summer rugby leagues there wasn't that intimidating atmosphere. I experienced a bit of biff on the field of play but nothing on the levels seen in the game in the North. There was a lad from Warrington in our side almost always got involved every game, I think he was atypical of that type of amateur Northern monkey that just couldn't help themselves.
Despite thge odd one or two though & there being a lot of ex-pats in the teams I think the mixture of union lads and that most ex-pats were playing or had played union down here made a difference, the speccies often were union followers first.

I did play a few games of masters which should be likened to the 'old boys' in union except it kind of isn't even with the adjusted rules for age. There's still the very much competetive spirit even if the body is unwilling and because of the (still) relatively fast speed of the game compared to union it's not easy even playing 25 minute halves. You also have to travel big distances as there aren't that many teams about whereas in union every team has an old boys side.

I've a gammy hip, two gammy shoulders, have Crohn's disease & the wrong side of mid 40s yet I still reckon I'd do alright playing union and I might still get around to popping down the local club because though masters is/was a struggle I actually love the physical contact, it was always the hits that did it for me (either way) but fitness wise league is just so much more difficult even when playing against old farts like me :D
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:01 pm  
Need to reclaim touch rugby (sic) and remind the tens of thousands of players they are in fact playing a version of RL regardless of what union tells them!
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:49 pm  
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Need to reclaim touch rugby (sic) and remind the tens of thousands of players they are in fact playing a version of RL regardless of what union tells them!


This.

I'm afraid it's symptomatic of the way that the Union and the rest of the nation outside the confines of Rugby League followers, use the term Rugby to describe their sport.
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:28 pm  
I get the impression that a few posters on here don't understand just how much Rugby Union is a social event rather than a sporting event.
I've lost count of how many times watching Union in the pub I've turned to discuss the game, only for the person next to me to admit that they have no idea about the rules and have never been to a match.
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:36 pm  
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I get the impression that a few posters on here don't understand just how much Rugby Union is a social event rather than a sporting event.
I've lost count of how many times watching Union in the pub I've turned to discuss the game, only for the person next to me to admit that they have no idea about the rules and have never been to a match.

I think they do, it's just how we can turn RL more into a social event rather than a die-hard supporters event
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:40 pm  
Perry wrote:
I get the impression that a few posters on here don't understand just how much Rugby Union is a social event rather than a sporting event.
I've lost count of how many times watching Union in the pub I've turned to discuss the game, only for the person next to me to admit that they have no idea about the rules and have never been to a match.


Yeah, because RU fans aren't 'real' fans like RL fans are. :lol:


I've lost count of how many times someone has told that exact same story on a RL forum.
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Re: Sam Burgess Union debut : Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:22 pm  
RL Fans go to watch the game, RU fans go to an event where the game is incidental. Put simply the former go to see but the latter go to be seen.
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